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Spangler, Lucifer, the United Nations and the New Age

This morning, Irregular Times received an e-mail from Sue, who while using capital letters to warn of a conspiracy to implement the impending North American Union was apparently content to let an advertisement inviting me to “Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL” get stuck on the bottom of her message.

I was particularly struck by the following “quote”:

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. ” David Spangler of U.N.

Sue’s not alone in referencing this “quote.” Sherry Shriner is a typical example:

Those in the New World Order who are in control of most of the governments of the world already today declare that to become a citizen of this order will require a Luciferian oath.

Accordingly those in the implementation stages proclaim:
“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”

—David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

Amongst all the global governing changes and wars that are taking place to accommodate this New World Order many are overlooking the most dominant aspect of it, its religious and occultic nature.

The New World Order IS about religion. It is about worshipping Lucifer.

Wake up folks!

Notice the lack of hyperlinks? Notice the lack of any attribution whatsoever? I’ve waded through thirty similar websites claiming that David Spangler is a Director of Planetary Initiative at the United Nations, and none have any source for the contention. The United Nations website refers to no Planetary Initiative headed by David Spangler (aha!, you say, hidden just like the black helicopters!). The United Nations website does not refer to any employment of David Spangler (aha!, hidden just like the implanted microchips!). I can find no evidence that this quotation exists anywhere but in the minds of the people who spread it.

Where did the idea come from? The Findhorn Foundation, with which he had some involvement three decades ago, proclaims that it has been an officially recognized United Nations nongovernmental organization. The United Nations specifically states of nongovernmental organizations that work with it:

Please note that association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status.

Could this very loose and decades-past association with an organization that indeed is currently associated with the United Nations as an NGO be what sparked this notion?

And why David Spangler? He provides the non-Christian aspect of the conspiracy, as a teacher of online courses through the Lorian Association and the a number of books about spiritual “manifestation”. He’s been in touch with “non-physical entities” and “inner plane beings” for many years now, apparently. If you think that’s especially weird, ask Auntie Gertrude about her weekly habit of drinking God’s kid’s blood. It’s different-enough sounding for somebody to make the “Lucifer” connection and to have it stick, apparently.

The United Nations Lucifer quotation claim appears to be utter baloney. But what a strange and interesting baloney run it has been.

185 thoughts on “Spangler, Lucifer, the United Nations and the New Age”

  1. John Stracke says:

    The Findhorn Foundation which he had some involvement three decades ago

    I can’t parse this. Some sort of editing error?

    1. tucker says:

      you arent going to find director of planetary intitiative webpage cause there is not one! but yes there is a confirmable advisor to the UN which yes does have a plantary initiative which YES david sprangler, existed person, is the directing advisor

      1. REPENT says:

        “Tucker”, funny you should use that name, when many of us know it is an ashkenazim-KHAZAR fake jews name, from the synagogue of satan (rev. 2:9 & Rev. 3:9), hahaha, so now I need to ask fake khazar jew “tucker”, were you one of the ones spreading the LIE and are still pushing it…hahahahahahah, yes because your kind sy it, it must be true…hahahaha…hey fool, many of know what your kind come from and how like your step father satan are natural born lies who spread so much CRAP, like your lies about Jesus Christ! REPENT “tucker” the ashkenazi-khazar fake jew from hell! Your kind are so obvious and so very moronic and it is embarrassing that your kidn think you are more intelligent when many of us know your kind steal all that you have, murder Gods REAL CHILDREN, and lie about your filthy ass! Time is short for your kind and the lake of fire awaits! REPENT to the one and only Savior Jesus Christ or go to hell with “tucker”…WAKE UP TO THE REAL ENEMIES OF THE WORLD< GODS REAL CHILDREN AND OUR ALMIGHTY FATHER!

        1. treyopuoyu says:

          LMFAO

          1. kp driskill says:

            Funny the name of a Jew hating schizophrenic should be repent…oh the irony.

    2. John McArdle says:

      Look into this: Ad Dajjal or Al Aawar Al Dajjal. [you can google search it] All 3 religions christianity islam and judaism have a similar “meme” if you will. They all look to this future entity anti-christ[christian] the Dajjal[islam] or messiah[judaism] ONE WORLD Leader. I am eagerly researching these subjects as well. Some fundie christians believe in a “rapture” where believers who are alive will be taken alive off the earthbefore gods horrible wrath is poured out onto humanity-Armageddeon [world war 3?]. Any supernatural event that could happen would convince most of humanity in the supernatural or god. Very perplexing subject. As an athiest I eagerly await proof of the supernatural. I went to 4th grade in northern Ireland in 1964-65. As a ten eleven year old american boy I experienced the ugliness of fundie religion and the bigotry and hate it can create. Now as an adult I have to witness the ignorance of the fundie christians and low income low IQ especially in the “red states” in the USA who vote rEPuBLiTARD/republican GOP party. Regardless of any of this I can see where our present consumer based petro chemical nuclear Industrial age will create calamity along with some long overdo geological or even astronomical events which could create a literal HELL on earth. Be grateful of any peace solitude quiet and calm you experience presently “bABYLoN joHN” John McArdle [bowing humbly]

      1. Tim says:

        You might like to watch a few documentarys on youtube search for “Zeitgeist the movie”
        this one is really excellent on the world of global finance and the push for global government..Unfortunately it is completely mistaken about christianity. to see these common misconceptions on christianity refuted there is
        “Zeitgeist refuted and debunked just the religious portion”.
        To see an amazing message on “Why American Christianity is almost totally wrong!” search on youtube for “The Shocking Youth Message (Paul Washer)” enjoy
        Tim

        1. GodAlone says:

          Zeitgeist is a disinformation agenda in that it tells the truth about the banksters BUT then tries to steer us in a certain (globalist planned) direction. Anything ‘new agey’ is out because the New Age was created by Blavatsky and her luciferian worshipping Theosophical Society, she is worshipped by the freemasons (not the lower levels who are kept purposely in ignorance of the organisation’s Lucifer worship – but its admitted by their Albert Pike in ‘Morals & Dogma’).

      2. Laurie says:

        Why don’t you read the Bible? I did in order to dispute its being a work of God.
        Faith is not religion. Religion is a manmade creation, full of rules that give its leaders power.
        Faith is believing we are not an accident.
        How can an atom have so many different forms?
        Why is DNA ‘intelligent’?
        How can the body make repairs to strands, as needed?
        Why do you have a consciousness? Why is it different from an animal?
        If we are a better evolutionary entity than apes, why do they still exist?
        But, it was the fulfillment of prophecies that got me – even down to Alexander the Great’s conquest of Tyre. Amazing stuff!

        1. J Clifford says:

          Laurie, DNA is ‘intelligent’ because you put it in quotes.
          Kind of like how CheezWhiz is ‘cheese’.
          Kind of like how faith is ‘not religion’.

          1. Vincent says:

            Romans 1:22 though they were wise, they became fools…

          2. Bill says:

            Your rebuttal refutes a prior claim with just the use of quotation marks? And you provide nothing else……
            Must be an american liberal!

          3. REPENT says:

            No he is just a worthless eater, and CHRIST-less, because he can’t read a bible and it is easier to pick on those with a moral compass than to build one for yourself! He is the cheese whiz, that rotten chemically induced FAKE “food”!! May God enlighten him and if not just another worthless fool destined for the lake of fire like GOD SAID! Notice he has nothing intelligent to say, so perhaps he can’t read the bible, which also explains why he is so easily influenced by the anti-Christ (satan loves those weak ones)?? And how sad is it that people can’t see that not only was the word “religion” created by mislead men, but that various religions ALL MADE BY SATAN’S BRAINWASHED MORONS, has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD, who sent his WORD through His son to preach about being BORN AGAIN as A BRON again Christian, the only FAITH Jesus Asked us to believe in! So see ya on Judgement day fool and bring that cheese whiz, you will need ti where you are going!

          4. REPENT says:

            J clifford, is there something wrong with you, that you can’t see truth or know you have a CREATOR whom you have obviously failed! Let’s try this moron, let’s take a building, no lets just take even a simple wall (since you seem to be simple), the wall of a building, do you think that wall was built with NO INTELLIGENCE?? NO it wasn’t, it was designed and built with intelligence so what would make you think that Gods earth and creations were not, MORON?? If you want to believe a theory that HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN and in fact has been torn apart (evolution), than do that, but that won’t change what GODS WORD SAYS, nor does it change what GOD SAID WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU NON-BELIEVERS…LAKE OF FIRE, whether you believe it or not is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, MORON, but satan seems to already have claimed your souls, so good luck with your idiocy and remember GODS WORD WILL NEVER CHANGE, no matter what your kind think!! REPENT TO YOUR ONE AND ONLY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST OR GO STRAIGHT TO HELL, simple as that, just like it is to figure out that the evolution theory which was created by ashkenazim-khazar fake jews of satans synagogue and Gods enemies, JUST LIKE GOD SAID (rev. 2:9 & 3:9), is not only a ridiculous and unfounded and proven LIE, but made to make the stupid ones think they came from animals, to offend GOD and show God that some of His children are worthless, mislead morons who will believe in a ridiculous LIE before believing in HIM, there Father and CREATOR, how sad and pathetic are you?? hell awaits and that WILL NEVER CHANGE UNLESS YOU REPENT as God said and SO IT SHALL BE, fool of satans!

          5. J Clifford says:

            Actually, I have two creators: My mother and father. How have I failed them?

            Why do you take such pleasure in the idea of people being thrown into a lake of fire? That’s a mighty nasty religion you’ve got going on there. Why would I want to join in such sadism?

          6. treyopuoyu says:

            Watch this video, th title is misleading, but in the end it is undeniable proof that the anti-christ is upon us: The REAL Truth About Religion And Its Origins – MUST WATCH!! [High Quality] If you don’t watch it all the way through, there is a chance that you’ll be possessed. I repented after this video, and worshiped god. I ripped of my clothes and prostrated myself before the almighty creator, then sacrificed a suitable virgin lamb. After that i penetrated the lamb through the eye and divinely conceived the second coming of Christ. God himself burst through the ass, (symbolizing destroying sin) and is now preparing to fight the beast, the anti christ. This is not false mt brother, god himself was PRESENT. He gave me a divine message too: if not two virgin oxes are possessed and penetrated by each man, than that man will surely be possessed and penetrated by SATAN!!!! WE HAVE REPENTED, NOW WE MUST FOLLOW GOD, STAY STRONG MY BROTHER, COMMENT BACK TO SPREAD THE TRUTH OF GOD!!!!!

        2. GodAlone says:

          Be aware that the Globalists, who require a one world religion to control all of us, have specifically altered the bible in certain places. (as admitted to Pastor Lindsey Williams by his Insider contact – he tells this in his latest dvd).

          1. REPENT says:

            Let’s call these globalist’s by name, the rotshchilds, rockerfeller’s, warburgs, collins family, kissinger the coward, bush crime family of terrorist’s and murderers, clinton psychotic family,simpson family, von duyn’s family, the UNITED NATIONS of THE NEW WORLD ORDER, World health Organization, IMF, CFR, FEd. Res. Thule society, Committee of 300, bill gates, warren buffet, red cross, unicef, green peace, HELLywood used to brainwash people and make them sin (do you lust over an actor/actress, do you envy them, do you idolize them, God said it is not just your actions but your thoughts!), FAKE MEDIA OWNERS like ted turner-CNN, the ashkenazi-KHAZAR FAKE QUEEN and “royal” family from hell, THEY HIDE BEHIND EVERYTHING and are the ones who create bogus laws to use against you, your family, even your children,because they have also infiltrated all judicial systems (policing), like they have education, medicine, militaries, air force, navy and ALL GOVN’ts NOW! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!

      3. bill says:

        Cry baby……

        1. GodAlone says:

          We’re all adults here aren’t we? What’s with the ‘cry baby’ schoolyard jargon. Do you have something relevant to say, then say it instead of name calling.

      4. Christopher says:

        You are a piece of filth, beneath the scum!
        You are the decease of this world!
        Yes, but you imagine yourself to be supreme, above the red (Southern) States, above all that have less than your kind, because you obtain worldly possessions, which will not be with you when your short lived pathetic little, arrogant life is over!
        SO COME DOWN FROM YOUR WHITE HORSE, AND BROADEN YOUR MIND!

        Then you WILL one day soon, see that you were just an ignorant/blind speck of scum destined for eternal damnation, when your shallow minded, BLINDED self, see’s your very maker return for those who were not like you, that being
        “S H A L L O W M I N D E D and w/o a Soul!>>>>>>>YOU ARE A SAD SITUATION, ABOUT TO IMPLODE INTO ROTTEN FLESH FOREVER AND EVER…………………..

        1. REPENT says:

          AMEN BROTHER!! Come quickly Jesus, come quickly!!

    3. John McArdle says:

      Look into this: Ad Dajjal or Al Aawar Al Dajjal. [you can google search it] All 3 religions christianity islam and judaism have a similar “meme” if you will. They all look to this future entity anti-christ[christian] the Dajjal[islam] or messiah[judaism] ONE WORLD Leader. I am eagerly researching these subjects as well. Some fundie christians believe in a “rapture” where believers who are alive will be taken alive off the earthbefore gods horrible wrath is poured out onto humanity-Armageddeon [world war 3?]. Any supernatural event that could happen would convince most of humanity in the supernatural or god. Very perplexing subject. As an athiest I eagerly await proof of the supernatural. I went to 4th grade in northern Ireland in 1964-65. As a ten eleven year old american boy I experienced the ugliness of fundie religion and the bigotry and hate it can create. Now as an adult I have to witness the ignorance of the fundie christians and low income low IQ especially in the “red states” in the USA who vote rEPuBLiTARD/republican GOP party. Regardless of any of this I can see where our present consumer based petro chemical nuclear Industrial age will create calamity along with some long overdo geological or even astronomical events which could create a literal HELL on earth. Be grateful of any peace solitude quiet and calm you experience presently “bABYLoN joHN” John McArdle [bowing humbly]

      1. Robert Slaughter says:

        John,
        Your experience in Ireland as a boy wasn’t that of Christianity, but one of bigotry and ignorance. Neither of these characteristics are Christian, but they exist across humanity and transcend political ideologies. Your comments, as stated, only make you one of the very bigots you condemn. I don’t know if you are a bigot, but I know what one is and that’s the way they speak to and treat others.
        I’m truly sorry to hear of your experience as a boy at the hands of those that profess faith in Christ, but I can assure you, he had nothing to do with their actions.

        1. J Clifford says:

          It’s a Get Out Of Jail Free card that Christians like Robert have, John. If Christians do something good, then it’s proof of how great Christians are. If Christians do something bad, then it’s not proof that Christians are rotten, because Christians are by definition terrific people. Therefore, Christians who do bad things don’t count as Christians, and therefore, the assertion that Christianity is morally superior is proven!

          How can you argue against that kind of logic?

          (you do it by putting thinking clearly ahead of ideology)

          1. REPENT says:

            So you are brain-dead and of the anti-Christ!! There is nothing free about devoting your life to your Creator fool, we give up so much of what your kind value, whenit is your CREATOR you should value! Ever hear of Repentance, that is what Christians do when we sin, we are not perfect, hence why God asked us to REPENT for our sins, we too are sick in the mind, just not as horribly as you and your kind, but at least we try to be a better CHILD OF CHRIST’s, where as you just keep the rotten and soon to be dead soul that you are because some can’t build a moral compass and are so very jealous of thsoe who can, just like your father satan! You, j clifford, sound just like one of satans little retards, you are not worth spit, and are most certainly worthy of GODS JUDGEMENT to the lake of fire, you want to be of satan’s synagogue, so be it, as God said, He will then make you of the synagogue of satan, since you desire his lies and lack of faith in your Creator, not to mention the warnigns He gave to your kind about attempting to make one of His children not believe in Him, so it looks like you are of some of the worst sins, which will not get you that get out of jail free card, but HELL, good luck with that male who is unable to fight the influence of the anti-Christ because you are to weak and jealous of Gods real children, just like your step-father, satan! Can you feel it j clifford, your soul that GOD gave you is almost DUST!

          2. Lois says:

            As a born again Christian, I’d like to say; we aren’t perfect. We sin the same as everybody else, except we ask our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ for forgiveness. Even if we don’t know what the sin is, we still ask for forgiveness. And, we forgive the people who sin against me. Because, if I can’t forgive others, God cannot forgive me. I’m sorry I don’t have the scriptures this second, but it’s in the New Testament, and I think it’s in Matthew. We pray for our enemies, other countries and everything else you can think of. I even forgive the people who have written such garbage about God, the Bible, and my Christian beliefs. If you are not born again when the Rapture happens and the Christians are caught up in the air with Christ, I’m very sorry, but you will go to hell, for eternity. Black and burning(the kind of burning as you get if you put your hand on a burner, turned on high), people screaming and wailing and begging, all the time! Is that the kind of eternity? Not me! I will never take the mark of the beast, and I will NEVER worship satan!! Take it from me, TIME IS QUICKLY RUNNING OUT!!!

          3. Jim Cook says:

            Bullpuckey, Lois. You just wrote another comment in which you’re positively gloating at the prospect that someone else and their family is going to hell.

        2. John McArdle says:

          Integrity and benevolence do not require any superstitious supernatural beliefs. The reward is in itself great self esteem and inner peace knowing you are a person of honor and not deciet. The “god” Jesus “Meme” has been debunked thoroughly by me through education [research into the origins of religions and their histories] How these cultures religions ethnic groups developed. There is a very similar “meme” thread if you will.Judaism Christianity Islam Buddhism –> Ancient scriptures desribing a supernatural realm with a diety or dieties even. Seeing the ugliness of the king james christian protestant [love?] I recieved in Northern Ireland as a ten eleven year old American boy with catholic parents. At an early age I saw the ignorances and ugliness of fundie religion and what it can do in cultures and nations even.Now as an adult in the USA I have to witness this same ignorance with these evangelical fundies who vote for republicans. It’s INSANE! Jesus would not be taking monies from socail safety net programs to offset taxation of the wealthier. Reagan was clever in 1980 The GOP garnered the evangelical fundies, red neck racists in the red states mostly low income and uneducated and senior citizens as well as any Large business people of wealth. Very clever yet very diabolical. Trickle down ecomomics Reagan in the oval office laughing “We told them the wealth would trickle down” Har DEE HAR HAR Bwah ha ha ha ha! I can only hope these same ignorant people the republicans have cleverly taken advantage of will wise up come November 2014 and VOTE these rEPuBLiTARD/republicans OUT of congress and the senate. Restore the democrat majority and return sensibility and fairness to our nation once and for ALL AGAIN!

          1. REPENT says:

            hahahahahahaha…you really are not worth my spit and energy, nor do you deserve direction from one of Gods children, as God said, into the lake of fire!! Oh and FYI catholicism, evangilical and ALL MAN MADE religions are of satan’s and not of our CREATOR FOOL! Where did you do your research, the talmud and the khazar’s re-written and fake history books….hahahahahaha…REPENT FOOL, because regardless of what you think, GODS WORD nor PROMISES will NEVER CHANGE, hell awaits moron, unless you repent and are BORN AGAIN to CHRIST! And what is this ” Jesus would not be taking monies from socail safety net programs to offset taxation of the wealthier.”???? HE DIDN’T, stupid greedy lying “men” (I use very lightly), like yourself did, but your kind so love to blame Jesus for what your kind do and what you can’t understand!! oh and MORON, do you think that satan’s govn’ts ae of GOd too…bwah ha ha ha!! You are so brain-dead and without any moral or real foundation, hence why you are of the anti-Christ whom I know is laughing because he got another weak and jealous soul..Har dee, har har, back at ya fool of satans!
            L-A-K-E -O-F -F-I-R-E!!!!!

          2. FYI says:

            And it is people like u that make all Christians look foolish u need more study on Christ for u to call yourself Christlike is vanity

          3. Lois says:

            I know where my path goes, do you? My religion taught me to be tolerant of people with mental disabilities. I have been taught to be tolerant and forgive people who, because of their mental disabilities, for they know not what they do. In conclusion, when I die, I have no worries that you or your family will be where I am. Look at your babies and realize, you are sending them straight hell, with all your ignorance! Hope it makes you feel really satisfied with yourself!!

          4. Lois says:

            Why don’t you take your rhetoric and your atheism, and go talk to ISIS or HARDCORE MUSLIMS! Or, are you ISIS? If not, see how long you have your head on your shoulders! Say hello to hell!!!

        3. John McArdle says:

          Integrity and benevolence do not require any superstitious supernatural beliefs. The reward is in itself great self esteem and inner peace knowing you are a person of honor and not deciet. The “god” Jesus “Meme” has been debunked thoroughly by me through education [research into the origins of religions and their histories] How these cultures religions ethnic groups developed. There is a very similar “meme” thread if you will.Judaism Christianity Islam Buddhism –> Ancient scriptures desribing a supernatural realm with a diety or dieties even. Seeing the ugliness of the king james christian protestant [love?] I recieved in Northern Ireland as a ten eleven year old American boy with catholic parents. At an early age I saw the ignorances and ugliness of fundie religion and what it can do in cultures and nations even.Now as an adult in the USA I have to witness this same ignorance with these evangelical fundies who vote for republicans. It’s INSANE! Jesus would not be taking monies from social safety net programs to offset taxation of the wealthier. Reagan was clever in 1980 The GOP garnered the evangelical fundies, red neck racists in the red states mostly low income and uneducated and senior citizens as well as any Large business people of wealth. Very clever yet very diabolical. Trickle down ecomomics Reagan in the oval office laughing “We told them the wealth would trickle down” Har DEE HAR HAR Bwah ha ha ha ha! I can only hope these same ignorant people the republicans have cleverly taken advantage of will wise up come November 2014 and VOTE these rEPuBLiTARD/republicans OUT of congress and the senate. Restore the democrat majority and return sensibility and fairness to our nation once and for ALL AGAIN!

          1. Scott Simmons says:

            Those “republitards” that you speak of…. are they actually worse than the democrats that are in power?

      2. bill says:

        Cry baby…..

      3. GodAlone says:

        John have a listen to LEUREN MORET on youtube – she is a extremely highly educated, multi-discipline knowledgable individual (history, biol, chem, geogr, science) and I call her a walking talking encyclopedia. She is aware of who the real power is behind their numerous global fronts and much more. She recently did a top interview on Fair Dinkum Radio. Patrick Wood “Technocracy Rising” did a recent interview on fairdinkum.com too that is extremely informative to us all. Also listen to Walter Veith “The Secret Behind Secret Societies” on youtube. These all helped me a lot as they are so informative, especially Patrick Wood’s interview with Leon on Fair Dinkum Radio.

      4. Christopher says:

        You are a piece of filth, beneath the scum!
        You are the decease of this world!
        Yes, but you imagine yourself to be supreme, above the red (Southern) States, above all that have less than your kind, because you obtain worldly possessions, which will not be with you when your short lived pathetic little, arrogant life is over!
        SO COME DOWN FROM YOUR WHITE HORSE, AND BROADEN YOUR MIND!

        Then you WILL one day soon, see that you were just an ignorant/blind speck of scum destined for eternal damnation, when your shallow minded, BLINDED self, see’s your very maker return for those who were not like you, that being
        “S H A L L O W M I N D E D and w/o a Soul!>>>>>>>YOU ARE A SAD SITUATION, ABOUT TO IMPLODE INTO ROTTEN FLESH FOREVER…………………..

        1. Ed says:

          SCORE!!!!

    4. GodAlone says:

      This is what many of our world leaders are actually up to:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlFmnvRzDs

      Worshipping ‘Molec’ at Bohemian Grove infiltrated only once in 2000. Some members are the secret society members the Bushes and John Kerry, other members incl Alan Greenspan, and other top bankers, certain CEO’s of oil corporations, Richard Nixon (who was recorded saying it was ‘faggy’ and disgusting), Gerald Ford etc. Lucifer rules with these people, but then Lucifer is worshipped by the higher degree freemasons etc (their revered american leader Albert Pike actually wrote this in ‘Morals & Dogma’, a book issued to the highest degrees and which book also states the lower ranks are to be lied to and kept ignorant of this). Read it for yourself or listen to Walter Veith’s youtube video “The Secret Behind Secret Societies”. No one these ‘agents’ are about to take control of the internet and censor us.

  2. Jim says:

    Thanks for catching that. Yep, it was a typo. Fixed now.

  3. Iroquois says:

    A fascinating character, this David Spangler, apparently the first person to use the term “new age”. I’m not really sure you can call him non-Christian though. The Findhorn group seems to regard what they do as very Christian, and still credits Spangler with setting up the religious part of their organization back in the 70’s. (The UN is probably more interested in their unique waste recycling system.) They make the distinction that they are “non-denominational” and open to all religions, and also use the phrase “post-traditional”, which I take to mean they use the forms and ritual structures of religion without referencing the doctrines.

    I was thinking Spangler seems to have some pretty original thought, until I got to the part where he says he has voices in his head. Oh, well. Thanks for unearthing him, anyhow.

    1. Justina says:

      you can consider yourself and your work to be very Christian, but it not in fact be so. For example, consider the unholy alliance between the churches and elitist money power etc crtiqued at http://www.antipasministries.com

      Regarding Spangler, there is a big difference between the new age “Christ” which on examination looks like one of those false Christs that Jesus the real Christ/Messiah warned us about, and the Jesus of the Bible.

      As for the quote, here is something that gives an exact reference, from another blog that deals with this.

      “So you want the exact quote. You probably will not find it on a “hyperlink” because David Spangler published these words in his 1978 book, REFLECTIONS ON THE CHRIST. I am presently holding in my hand the third edition (Findhorn Press, Scotland) which was released in 1981, the same year I discovered Mr. Spangler’s er, uh, rather interesting and decidedly Luciferic theology. The book looks innocuous enough on the cover. One could probably carry it into Sunday School and not attract undue attention unless one were familiar with the provocative contents. Chapter IV, pages 32 through 45 are dedicated to ‘LUCIFER, CHRIST, AND GOD.’

      ” . . . Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now . . . will be facing, for it is an initiation in to the New Age . . .”

      Now for the part that those who don’t go along will “disappear,” please turn to Mr. Spangler’s Lorian Press (1976) published book REVELATION THE BIRTH OF A NEW AGE.. Please turn to pages 163-164. There we read:

      What will happen to those who cannot attune to the new? Where will they go? . . . Furthermore, it is not really important to know where the old pattern will go; we are assured that it is shepherded by the Christ and will be fully ministered to by this cosmic presence. . . HOWEVER, there are a few words which can be said about where the old world and those attuned to it will go. Throughout creation there are infinite spheres of environment representing and educating all stages of conscious . . . Some of these are physical planets like Earth. . . . It is possible that , , , they can be contained and ministered to until such time as they can be RELEASED SAFELY INTO PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT AGAIN . . . THEY WILL LOSE, FOR THE TIME BEING, THEIR ACCESS TO THE EHTERIC PLANES OF POWER and the ability to control or influence the developments upon earth . . .” “

      1. David Spangler Jr. says:

        My Father is gone and his notions of diety die with him!

        Upon the bed he laid-In his fists that blood was given to him-He is no darker than the pladians-He was never upon the planetary initiative-He was a born again christian-He was gutted before death!-If you close your eyes for less than the time 60-par+66/par you will also see red-satan thanks you-born again are we!!!

        No nwo, no one government, no more conspiracy…
        He is gone so that I may! DSjr

        1. John McArdle says:

          Sorry for your loss of your father, please read my posts and critique Thank you. Integrity and benevolence do not require any superstitious supernatural beliefs. The reward is in itself great self esteem and inner peace knowing you are a person of honor and not deciet. The “god” Jesus “Meme” has been debunked thoroughly by me through education [research into the origins of religions and their histories] How these cultures religions ethnic groups developed. There is a very similar “meme” thread if you will.Judaism Christianity Islam Buddhism –> Ancient scriptures desribing a supernatural realm with a diety or dieties even. Seeing the ugliness of the king james christian protestant [love?] I recieved in Northern Ireland as a ten eleven year old American boy with catholic parents. At an early age I saw the ignorances and ugliness of fundie religion and what it can do in cultures and nations even.Now as an adult in the USA I have to witness this same ignorance with these evangelical fundies who vote for republicans. It’s INSANE! Jesus would not be taking monies from socail safety net programs to offset taxation of the wealthier. Reagan was clever in 1980 The GOP garnered the evangelical fundies, red neck racists in the red states mostly low income and uneducated and senior citizens as well as any Large business people of wealth. Very clever yet very diabolical. Trickle down ecomomics Reagan in the oval office laughing “We told them the wealth would trickle down” Har DEE HAR HAR Bwah ha ha ha ha! I can only hope these same ignorant people the republicans have cleverly taken advantage of will wise up come November 2014 and VOTE these rEPuBLiTARD/republicans OUT of congress and the senate. Restore the democrat majority and return sensibility and fairness to our nation once and for ALL AGAIN!

    2. J22J says:

      Lorian- Norse Goddess of beauty & wisdom. Lorian society? No, not occultic at all. You can’t spell! It’s spelled “bologna” unless you meant – Baal + isis(ON) making your hypothis correct = baloney!
      We speak in different languages traveling as old as time! Your not that sharp nor did you debunk “spangler’s occultic-agenda”

    3. Laurie says:

      The ‘New Age’ movement began with Theosophy. Theosophical Society founder, Blavatsky, admitted that she spoke with Satan and fallen angels.
      Findhorn is linked to the Illuminati (They say they are Jews, but are not – they are the Synagogue of Satan.)
      Think about this: If Satan exists and he wanted to lead mankind away from believing there is a God and a Redeemer of mankind, what would he do? Reveal the plan ahead of its time to occur.
      Read the Bible, and the books that the pagan Roman King Constantine removed from the ‘Old Testament’ – Enoch, Jasher, and Jubilees – and tell me what YOU think happened? Read the historical writings like Josephus. Read them with the same open-mindedness as you did the other educational material.
      How did men from different places around the earth create the same story line?
      Was not Sumeria the same region as ancient Babylon (not neo-Babylon)?
      Was Nimrod the same ‘person’ as Gilgamesh? Did ‘giants’ exist?
      Who was Samur-Amat?
      What is the Mysteries religion?
      Why are the gods and goddesses of ancient religions across the globe depicted in the same poses?
      Why is there evidence all over the globe that there was a flood?
      Why is the same promise given in Genesis 3, being touted today? ‘You can be gods.’
      The ‘educated’ claim to be open-minded, except when it comes to the Bible and ancient writings of faith in the Elohim.
      I didn’t believe – but then I read more. And, it made more sense.

    4. GodAlone says:

      The Findhorn originals were told what to do and how to plant etc by a voice in the head. Is it Luciferian? I don’t know the answer.

    5. REPENT says:

      Then you have NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT A REAL CHRISTIAN IS WOW, God was right, most are simply to brain-dead and UNGODLY in this sick, sick world of satans! FOOLS, FOOLS I TELL YA!!!!! REPENT FOOLS or GODS WORD will show you what you get!

      1. J Clifford says:

        How can I repent when I haven’t pented in the first place? And why should I have pented? No one ever comes around, warning, “Pent, for the end will come around eventually!”

        1. Bill says:

          Good Day All,
          First, true followers of Christ do NOT call others fools. Second, we do NOT JUDGE others, save that for our Father and Savior. Please do not give Those Who Follow Christ, a name. We are not Christians, Muslim, Luciferian, we are not named. We are made brothers and sister by only what is in our heart and minds and the interior and exterior force of the Triune God. We were given gifts and Grace beyond that of the Angels, I hope you at least read what that means. Satan would be jealous, we, humans will

        2. Bill says:

          Good Day All,
          First, true followers of Christ do NOT call others fools. Second, we do NOT JUDGE others, save that for our Father and Savior. Please do not give Those Who Follow Christ, a name. We are not Christians, Muslim, Luciferian, we are not named. We are made brothers and sister by only what is in our heart and minds and the interior and exterior force of the Triune God. We were given gifts and Grace beyond that of the Angels, I hope you at least read what that means. Satan would be jealous; we, humans will judge even the Angels. I do believe that if you look at the intricacies of True Scripture, no modern man could create such written words with the corresponding numerical improbabilities contained within. There is proof with eyes to see and ears to hear. We must win souls, so they may be saved. We must also not threaten or frighten those with any “lake of fire talk.” That is out of control, and frankly makes me realize you are all just talking to yourselves and hoping that gullible people read it and believe Christians are angry accusers like the doctrine of Satan that we so vehemently refuse and rebuke in the name of Jesus. We are not above anyone or anything, except with the approval and judgment of it being so by Jesus Christ. Any man-made commentary is merely dust. The Word will never cease, but insults on Christianity will and so will Christians who accuse others with words such as “fool” and “you will burn.” I am a true Follower of Christ, and I am very much imperfect. Yet, I know evolution is false, I know the trickery goes so deep that the only truth is what a loved one speaks to you directly. Most of all of this madness is in and of itself and illusion. We chose this, and Jesus got us out of it, we just need to follow His Way. We need not accuse others, yet win souls by actions, not angry words. Remember what I have said, True Followers of Christ Lead in EVERY WAY, whether with words or action in the fashion of Christ. Remember this, even those who do not believe, remember that a true follower and believer in Christ dare not intimidate or accuse others into Faith. We must lead and Will lead by example, the best we can within this flesh. Doubting me is a sure thing, but what is in my heart is just as sure. The Foundation of my Faith is in Christ’s way, and not in the glory of being self-righteous nor feeling happy that anyone goes to any sort of hell. I hope you all make it, all of you, but that is not so. God never intended for anyone to go to hell, it was made for Satan and his angels, yet humans are to judge Angels, so we must accept the consequences of our actions in this dimension. Our former garden has become a cesspool, still we must see the beauty. We must see the best in others despite our Faith. True Believers in Christ, see Christ everywhere and the lack thereof, yet do not judge, as evil is self-evident and accuses itself. We need not turn on one another, as that makes you the same as which you accuse because no one who believes in Christ would wish hell on anyone, no matter the crime. We may get angry, and do wrong, but when speaking for Followers of Christ, do not speak like you are better. “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.”
          Jesus (Joshua, Yeheshua) The Messiah, The Christ.
          Amen, God Bless, Be Good and Sow Favorable Seeds, do not accuse and do not curse others, as what you do unto them, shall be poured out in measure to you.
          May Christ Enter Your Hearts.
          -A Human.

  4. x says:

    David Spangler is an anagram for ‘Grandpas Devil’.

  5. Lane K says:

    You guys should expose Alex Jones – he posts everything = anything that will incite people to ‘rebel’ — wonder why? Marshll law comes to mind – but, I may have been reading too much on his FEAR STRATEGY website
    prisonplanet.com

    He’s a real jackass, this Alex Jones.

    1. wildman says:

      I love Alex he’s the BEST! He should be President!

      1. rob says:

        this Alex Jones type is a fraude!

        look what he is telling constantly

        he works for the NWO

        think!

        1. Myron Handel says:

          Yes, Alex Jones is a member of the NWO. The lack of proof IS evidence.

        2. Capt. Mike says:

          One can still glean a lot of honest information from Alex Jones and especially his guests, whom are among the most reliable available. As for the occasional angry rant, that’s normal when you deal with this crap every day, all day. So take, use, and act on the information in the way that works for you. If nothing else, you will know what is on the horizon. His guests are top-notch

      2. REPENT says:

        Perfect example of stupid, right here, he can’t even conclude that alex jones aka: bill hicks is a fake shill site for the khazar FAKE JEWS FROM SATAN’s SYNAGOGUE!

    2. Anonymous says:

      hey, alex has a job to do. got to get the rednecks and the crazies out of the woodwork so they can be rounded up. i dont want those assholes in the NWO. i want my peace.

    3. Anonymous says:

      you are a puppet, you know the truth. alex just exposes you guys. Jesus Christ is lord and me and the millions that are awake will never serve satan! this luciferian intiation is in simpler terms” the mark of the beast ” may God have mercy upon all

      1. F.G. Fitzer says:

        If Jesus Christ is lord, where is his castle?

        1. Anonymous says:

          In a world we cannot see with out eyes, but can only have faith in, with our hearts. Castles on this earth are able to fall and be seized.. Christ’s kingdom will prevail.

        2. Anonymous says:

          your a freaking idiot

        3. Mr Charisma says:

          a mans home IS His castle

        4. AVENUE OF LIGHT says:

          http://Avenueoflight.com

          JOHN 14:1-3

          1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
          2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
          3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that( where I am, there ye may be also)
          THIS IS AT THE FATHER’S THRONE IN THE THIRD HEAVEN.

          1. FYI says:

            John is a fabrication of the catholic tradition an added part of the evolved bible

          2. Leon C. says:

            So Jah Seh: Ye are the sheep of my pasture, and where I am thou shalt abide. And very I say onto thee-I: If puss and dog can get together, why can’t we love one another? So Jah Se: Not one of my seed shall sit on your sidewalk and beg your bread…

            Don’t look to Jesus as a guru, don’t surrender your consciousness for a book that has visionary writings of innumerable authors about the mysteries of the worlds since the beginning. No that there is supernature and other-dimentional realities. And there is divine good intervention by the blessed knowing power, and there is great evil that targets and perverts on all levels and attacks us physically too. Evil that is spiteful conscious. There are orbs of light and energy, some interacting with us. Lately I’ve come to believe that many might be evil or lost souls. One thing is for sure, the soul of man is born innocent and has to return to that state before it can reenter a human body to return to earth within the generations after the body’s passing. The point being: our own fall from grace is a given and our redemption song is too. There is something to be said about good intentions and good heartedness, probably even more for forgiveness. Can we forgive ourselves for not knowing any better, especially when everything is an abstraction and their is so much pain and desire all around? Women are the main targets, and these ultradimensional beings are androgenous [sic] for some reason and they promote homosexuality for some sick reason other than ritual dominance. There are tortured souls who enjoy cruelty and sadism. That is the difference. These are attributes that make-up the whole human being as he is seasoned. But we cannot give into the hate and the deceptions and the lies that we are told, that we tell, and that we are led to believe. Our instincts come into play when we are at our most primal state; our intuition when we are allowed to repose. Wisdom comes in knowing the difference and acting when the time comes to strike a blow for Jah. Wo-Yo__! More to come from we…

      2. Capt. Mike says:

        Yes, that’s another thing. You generally won’t hear one of “dark-siders” praying on air to God Almighty & Jesus Christ, as well as vowing to fight against and expressing sheer hatred of evil in the form of the “gods”, like the one represented by that damn owl, that these dark-siders revere. He claims loudly that he is a child of God and that he loves Christ. You won’t hear too many NWO types do that.

        No matter what you think of his delivery, and I know it can be aggravating at times, especially with his habit of interrupting, the information that he and his guests furnish is dependable.

        The only issue, really, is to decide for yourself what to do with that information.

      3. Tyler Green says:

        Praise be to Our Lord and Saviour Jesus, what interesting times we live in..

        God bless my brother..

    4. Anita Wright says:

      You need to wake up! This country is falling apart in front of our eyes and we need to expose all the wrong doing the Globalist Elites are doing. Alex is doing a wonderful job of that.

    5. SAL says:

      Alex Jones is a courageous and decent individual. Everything he talks about is evidenced. He stands for righteousness.

    6. GodAlone says:

      That is dishonest. Alex Jones, on the contrary, discourages rebellion – as the NWO would just love that – then they can set the federal militarised police force against the people and watch them killing each other. (hegelian method of thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. Divide and conquer in order to soften up the public to accept you bringing in what you preplanned).

      Where he really stands I don’t know but as one ex-listener said in his defence – Alex has woken up MASSES of people and thats what counts.

  6. LukeAir08 says:

    It would be nice to think that David Spangler didn’t really make that statement about having to undertake a luciferian initiation in order to enter into the New Age/New World Order…but he did. In 1978 I was drafted to the Kinloss air force base, right next door to the Findhorn foundation. I was fascinated by the place. I have visited the community many times, as recently as two weeks ago – their community shop has some very nice organic foods and other goodies! Back in the 80’s I purchased a book there called ‘Reimagination of the World’ co-authored with William Bloom. In it Spangler puts forward his luciferian doctrine. That ultimately the human race must embrace lucifer so that he and we might be free. I don’t even like talking about these things but Im afraid they’re true.

    1. Interested Party says:

      I am sorry, but this is just not true. You claim to have read this book, but you don’t even have the right author. Spangler wrote this book with William Thompson, the cultural historian. There is no mention of Lucifer in this book I don’t understand why you would make something like that up? Perhaps you should quote directly from this book, the Reimagination of the World, to show where he says that. The Luciferian quote so taken out of context was made as an unfortunate joke at the end of a lecture about dealing with the personal shadow, in the Jungian sense of shadow, and has nothing whatever to do with Satan or Satan worship. Lucifer is defined as the Archangel who came close to earth in order to be a ‘lightbringer’ to lead humanity back to the light. Good grief, does no one ever do their own research anymore or even understand what they are reading?

  7. LukeAir08 says:

    I don’t know if Spangler has been involved with the UN but I know he has been very influential in New Age spiritual/political circles. One of Oprah Winfrey’s favourite new age motivational speakers – Marrianne Williamson – cites him as a friend and mentor.

  8. Unknown says:

    This is it ladies and gentlemen, the beginning of the end! Christ’s return is imminent. Repent, all of you and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, so that you may receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. When He returns he will take all of His children (real Christians) up to Heaven, leaving the rest behind. To all of you who think i am crazy, it is ok because i forgive you. But i will say this, if you do not heed this warning; when you are left on the earth, the beast will come and force you to receive the mark (666) and if you don’t receive it, you will suffer greatly from torture and/or starvation. All your life you wanted proof of Christ’s existence, well here it is! don’t take it for granted.
    God bless you all.

    1. Jim says:

      I know you… you’re David Spangler, aren’t you?

    2. udz says:

      Jesus is definitely the answer.

      the whole world would have you think different. but honestly check it out for yourself, if you want truth dig for it, dont quit searching when you find something that makes you comfortable, if your soul goes on for eternity then this world is nowhere to get comfortable in. Jesus is the only way.

      stand strong for Him pursecution will happen, put your trust in the Lord and not in anything else, this includes a rapture.

      1. F.G. Fitzer says:

        Yes, Jesus is definitely the answer. But the question is not what you think it is.

        The question: What is the byproduct of the conversion of milk into cheese?
        The answer: Jesus.

        Jesus is the whey.

        You know, udz, the last time Americans put trust in a Lord, he gave them taxation without representation. No thanks.

        1. Johann says:

          Are you seriously suggesting that Jesus means taxation without representation?? Yea your post might sound clever for about 3 seconds until you actually think about it… then it makes no sense.

          Jesus really is everything he’s cracked up to be.

          1. F.G. Fitzer says:

            Jesus was cracked? Well, that explains a few things.

          2. Anonymous says:

            god can go fuck himself so fuck you unknown man and right on F.G but ya the lord is a fat sack of shit

          3. who cares says:

            your a big fat sack of shit, its people like you who bring everyone down in the world! Grow the fuck up dude, I meen for real your probly only saying that because,ummm, let me guess you have a bad life and god didnt answer your prayers in one second like you wanted……Well guess what it happends to everyone thats life, and sure doesn’t meen that god isn’t real he is very real, it’s not his fault your life sucks,and your a loser.

    3. Mike says:

      Thanks for the warning I get it, become one with the christain club or be killed. I thought the terror groups were masters of fear but they must have learned their tricks from the christain nation. Please take your alkida tricks somewhere else

      1. matt says:

        i think its join the christian club and then be killed according to mr spangler

      2. ty says:

        Christ said “many will come and kill you in my name, They do this because they have not known the father or me.”
        This David guy is no more christian than a frog is a cow. Even if the frog says he is a cow or this David guy says he is a Christian. Christians follow Christ not Lucifer. Welcome to critical thinking skills.

    4. Anonymous says:

      CONGRATULATIONS you can read. (the bible)

      1. treyopuoyu says:

        Ummm, hey there, i’m a little, ah, nervous about telling people this, but, jesus saves!!! One day I was fucking the brains out of pumpkin, when out of no where, JESUS APPEARED TO ME! He bent me over and screamed at me to to repent, so i did….. Then I took his divine cock up the ass for over 24 hours, all the while screaming repentance!! After this, he returned my kidneys and intestines, AND HE HEALED ME!!! Even after my entire body was wrecked by the majestic power of his circumcised wood! His divine cum exploded through my mouth and ripped through my skin…. Jesus told me I was saved, IM SAVED, OH THIS IS SOOOO WONDERFUL! Then he told me that there was a divine balance in the world, i had a mission. Save that balance by giving him a (now saved) cock up his mouth…. And oh did I destroy it, I went 30 mph down his throat, and actually started a fire from friction as I blazed away at the speed of life. Then I blew a load that i swear was at least a gallon. After this, jesus swallowed with a smile, and gave me a full body massage with the rest of my cum. He induced vomiting and puked the cum up my ass!!! He told me to spread the good word that you can be saved to. Repeat these sounds: JESUS SUCK MY HAIRY WOOD, and you can be saved too!!! I feel so great to finally tell someone, respond for any advice ;0

    5. John McArdle says:

      So whats with these “crazy” evangelicals voting for republicans in the USA? Insanity, Jesus would not be taking monies from social safety net programs to offset taxation of the wealthy. These are some clearly backwards ignorant bigoted thinking people much like the protestants in northern Ireland {Great example} OH look how much christian love they have for the catholics? WNEN RELIGION IS EPIC FAIL!

    6. GodAlone says:

      The assumption that Jesus, the person, will return in physical form is a misinterpretation ie a literal interpretation. It is the Christ Consciousness (egoless awareness) that each individual must achieve (return to as its our true nature – ‘made in God’s image’), in order to remember God, the prodigal sons left and must choose through freewill to return Home. Its NOT about bodies.

  9. Voltaire says:

    The issue is the impression in some peoples minds that somehow NGO’s are official UN arms.
    Some years ago I web wandered into the Lucifer Publishing/Lucis Trust, which claims to be the Spiritual foundation of the UN.

    From their web site:

    The Lucis Trust

    The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey’s book, ‘Initiation, Human and Solar’ was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as ‘Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

    At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called “World Goodwill”. In an Alice Bailey book called “Education for a New Age”; she suggests that in the new age “World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain.” In other words – a One World Government New World Order.

    Luci’s Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci’s Trust sponsors among others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.

    I didn’t correct the various spelling errors, such as Luci’s instead of Lucis. I wonder if Luci is evil like Lucifer?
    Additionally there is Benjamin Crème and Maitreya! The World teacher…One woman clains to have channeled Maitreya to the UN.. I listened to that and it was creepy.
    Seems a lot of nuts are somehow attracted to the UN.

    Well now that that information is out, we will all have to make a decision. I don’t think I am interested in joining any of these clubs….but to each his own.

    1. Jim says:

      That can’t be text from “their web site,” meaning the web site of the Lucis Trust: would the “Lucis Trust” describe its own supposed existence as “a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN”?

      The text is yet another to be circulated around the web among a number of religious conspiracy sites such as Jesus is Savior, Return of the Philistines and Removing the Veil.

      1. ivy says:

        ooh,, thanks for the wonderful sites. ! Jesus is Savior is very informative. !

        Why do you think non christians do what the Bible says they will do? This is assuming the Bible is just a myth.

        thx

  10. Voltaire says:

    That quote is from a group that thinks the Lucis trust is Satan’s work:

    Here is a real qoute from the Lucis site, for the life of me I don’t know who is nuttier:

    “Humanity is experiencing a climaxing time of change with all the accompanying pain, chaos and disruption. Old forms are dying out and new ones are coming to life. Always in such times, a Teacher comes forth to inaugurate the new age, a World Saviour, an Illuminator, an Avatar, a transmitting Intermediary, a Christ. Today will be no exception to this ancient rule and universal law.

    For centuries, the reappearance of an Avatar has been anticipated by the faithful worldwide – by Christians, and by those who look for the Maitreya, the Boddhisattva, the Messiah and the Imam Mahdi. This Teacher will be one who identifies with human struggle, understands these times completely and knows the depth and intricacies of the human heart. He or she will come for all humanity.

    The great teachers of the past have led humanity further into the light, bringing revelation to their time. The coming World Teacher will bring revelation which speaks to this time, using the world communications systems at His disposal, that “every eye shall see and every ear shall hear”.

    We are witnessing a flowering of the human spirit. Humanity itself is preparing the way for the Coming One by instituting changes within all aspects of human life. Spiritual recognition and application is the great need today in preparation for this reappearance.

    The World Teacher will come to restore man’s faith in God’s love, in the livingness of our shared divinity and in the close and unbreakable relationship of the peoples of this world.

    A great and ancient prayer has been given to humanity to help prepare the way. It is a world prayer of extraordinary potency. Energy follows and conforms itself to thought. Through daily use and distribution of the Great Invocation, we aid this preparatory work and unite as One Humanity. All are asked to contribute their energy and light in this service to the world.”

    MY MISTAKE! I become so confused when I am dealing with NUTBALLS.

    1. Jim says:

      No nuttier or less nutty than your average religious text. Not very Satanic either.

      1. Jacob says:

        Jim,

        I have never heard of this guy and this group. I stay out of the hunt for possible antichrists and what not. Its a waste of time. When he comes he will fool so many people nobody will notice at first.

        I agree that this doesnt sound satanic. It sounds inoccent. Its only when you lay it side by side with scripture do you see the conection.

      2. Annina says:

        On the UN website it says that he was on the Board of Directors at their First Planetary Celebration on 24 October 1975.

        A truth that is even harder to swallow is that the UN are being guided by physical black magicians as well as the astral ones that speak through mediums and appear in the astral plane. No medium can channel a Buddha or a Jesus. Mediumship is black magic and so is the lottery and all other forms of deception. When a real spiritual Master has a message for humanity, he comes with his own body, he doesn’t ask to borrow someone else’s. Lao Tzu, Buddha, Jesus and Krishna came in the form of a man, they did not give their teaching through some possessed woman. “But why does so much channeled information talk about love and peace?” Because that is how they get you to listen to them. But they will never actually tell you how to feel love. They are fanatics who religiously believe that years in hell is the doorway to heaven. Their New World Order makes real spirituality (which they believe to be satanic) impossible.

        The great secret is that earthlings lived in peace until they started having orgasms. I could cite reputable sources who you all know but I don’t want to disturb anyone who read this accidentally.

        The UN don’t have bad intentions, they think that by restricting our free will they are making the world a better place. Of course, they are mistaken.

        1. Jim says:

          Please, please cite the source for that orgasm claim. I’d love to read the documentation for that.

        2. Jim Cook says:

          Update:

          I’ve found a source, about one-third of the way through this list of documents:

          http://archives-trim.un.org/webdrawer/rec/423068/view/Items-in-Secretary-Generals%20Statements.PDF

          As usual, it doesn’t say what you say it says. David Spangler was on the Board of Directors of a separate organization, Planetary Citizens, which commemorated the United Nations with its own First Planetary Celebration Day on October 24 2012.

          That does NOT make David Spangler part of the United Nations.

          1. GodAlone says:

            Jim, the U.N. has many, many offshoot organisations, each one with a specific focus and goal in order to achieve a One World Religion/One World Government. It also enables the controllers of the UN (Rockefeller, Rothschild et al, the Money Power per se) to separate out and thus hide their intended goals from the public. You would see this clearly in GARY H KAH’s book THE NEW WORLD RELIGION, a brilliant book my whole family read.

            In fact his book has a photo copy of LUCIFER Publishing Co in these exact words, and the article is titled ‘The Consciousness Of The Atom’ by Alice A Bailey advertising a series of lectures in 1921-22. It says ‘author of Letters Of Occult Meditation, and Initiation, Human and Solar’.
            He also publishes the list of Sponsors of the PROVISIONAL WORLD PARLIAMENT (most names are connected to the U.N. of course, as he shows clearly)and a listof cosponsors of the 1993 PARLIAMENT OF THE WORLD’S RELIGIONS, by COUNCIL FOR A PARLIAMENT OF THE WORLD’S RELIGIONS, he also shows the Ceremony of Induction and Extreme Oath of the Jesuits, which includes the words (to name just a few):
            “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, MAKE AND WAGE RELENTLESS WAR, SECRETLY OR OPENLY, AGAINST ALL HERETICS, PROTESTANTS AND LIBERTS as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race”…… (and much more).
            The Jesuit oath is located in the Library of Congress, Washington DC, Library of Congress Catalog Card No. 66-43354. According to Leuren Moret, the Jesuits are nothing to do with christianity but are in actuality a military wing of ancient aristocratic Persian Elite and their tool, the Vatican’s purpose as a religion is to control humanity. That the Jesuits control all other secret organizations (those players at the top, that is) such as Knights of Malta, Freemasons, Knights of Columbus etc. that they control all the Central Banks of countries and HAARP etc. These things can be researched on the internet – only today do we, the people have the luxury of gaining this knowledge due to world wide web (which is about to be controlled and censored etc).

            In Gary H Kah’s other book “En Route to Global Occupation” he shows photocopies documents of UN affiliated organisations: Provisional World Government, Provisional World Parliament, WORLD CONSTITUTION AND PARLIAMENT ASSOCIATION – organizing agent for the Provisional World Parliament and Preparatory Committee 1991 World Constituent Assembly (WCPA).

  11. The Storyteller says:

    Here’s a Spangler quote, very similar to the one presented. It’s from ‘Reflections on the Christ’ (1981), Findhorn Lecture Series, Third edition, p. 45.

    “The true light of Lucifer cannot be seen through sorrow, through darkness, through reflection.
    The true light of this great being can only be recognized when one’s own eyes can see with
    the light of the Christ, the light of the inner sun. Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into the New Age, which is the age of man’s wholeness, each of us is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and his wholeness.
    Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free, that is the Luciferic Initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age.”

    1. Ivan says:

      This needs bumping to the top of the list as it is the perfect answer.

      1. GodAlone says:

        I agree. And this is what our world leaders are actually up to:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlFmnvRzDs

        Worshipping ‘Molec’ at Bohemian Grove. Some members are the Bushes, Alan Greenspan, Richard Nixon (who was recorded saying it was disgusting), Gerald Ford etc

  12. Maria says:

    “Lucifer comes to give us the final … Luciferic initiation … that many people now and in the days ahead, will be facing — for it is an initiation into the New Age. … No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”

    David Spangler Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations Reflections on the Christ [Book: 1978], quoted in ‘Unicorn in the Sanctuary’, by Randy England, 1978

    1. Jim says:

      Right. So if you just repeat the lie that David Spangler is somehow the “Director of Planetary Initiative” at the United Nations, that makes it true?

      1. The truth seeker says:

        Why do you not post an answer on “The storytellers” post? Very selctive in who and what you answer it seems to me.

      2. GodAlone says:

        Jim, REVEAL THYSELF.

        1. Jim Cook says:

          OK, GodAlone. You betcha. Here goes.

          I’m sitting here, all alone in this room, feeling lonely and all bothered. I’m wearing nothing but polyester tights and a bicycle horn. I’m reaching for the Crisco, and…

          … hang on, I’ve got to get the phone. Be right back.

  13. Jordon says:

    So did this guy actually say any of this jim? or is it just BS?

  14. Jordon says:

    I was also wondering who this guy is, who considers him serious? does anyone believe he has any credibility? or is he just a whack job with no credibility behind his words with a twisted point of view? ,for instance why should I believe anything this guy says as valid in attempt to define or re-define “anything”? is what im also wondering as well.

    1. GodAlone says:

      ‘Jordon’, REVEAL THYSELF.

  15. EL-Mistero says:

    “Get a sneak peek of the all-new Yahoo” This is happen over the world and inded.. some one here said clear WAKE UP ppl! ” This is it ladies and gentlemen, the beginning of the end! Christ’s return is imminent. Repent, all of you and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, so that you may receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. When He returns he will take all of His children (real Christians) up to Heaven, leaving the rest behind. To all of you who think i am crazy, it is ok because i forgive you. But i will say this, if you do not heed this warning; when you are left on the earth, the beast will come and force you to receive the mark (666-VeriChip) and if you don’t receive it, you will suffer greatly from torture and/or starvation. All your life you wanted proof of Christ’s existence, well here it is! don’t take it for granted.
    God bless you all.”

    1. KishinD says:

      *facepalm* Christ’s return has been “imminent” for almost 2000 years now. In the year 4000, if Christianity still exists at that point, Christ’s return will STILL be “imminent”. STOP looking for someone else to save you. There are no superheroes, no messiahs to deliver us from evil. No “superior being” is going to fix the mess the world is in, IT’S UP TO US!!

      Get off of the psychology of dependency – being suckered into an outside force being the one to solve our problems just keeps us weak-willed and simple-minded. We have to work together in a new way. We have to break free of the internal chains that bind us, the chains of perception. The World Teacher is a generation, not a person. Let’s create a new world – no divine intervention necessary.

      1. Myron says:

        You can no more disprove a Creator than I can prove him. I’m not weak-willed nor simple minded. I’m more awake than you could possibly know. The world you purport to support should logically begin with tolerance and open-mindedness, and respect for the beliefs and opinions of your fellow human beings, even if you didn’t agree with them…yes? You seemingly posess exactly zero of those attributes…That’s YOUR plan for a new world? No thanks…

  16. Jordon says:

    forget it I did an independent study and found he was influenced by founder of Theosophy, Helena Blavatsky connected to allot of gnostic goobly gook through her, I wouldn’t buy into anything they say as being possible , or possible to come true either assuming you are a true believer in the bible and Christ since these people believe in twisting the scripture to make you think what they say is real or possible,

    http://keithtruth.blogspot.com/2009/07/helena-blavatskys-view-of-satan.html

    1. Jim says:

      You didn’t “do an independent study.” You read a blog that said the same thing about Spangler, without any primary source reference.

      Go find a primary source to find out “who this guy really is.”

  17. Jordon says:

    actually the blog didn’t mention anything about Spangler I also read more then this blog last night I just didn’t post it, so I did do an independent study of Theosophy which I believe his word to be inspired by .

  18. me says:

    Well well well…… how interesting. Truth has been twisted,recycled and scattered in fragments all around the earth. A small piece of truth is found somewhere and then it is magnified to the point of becoming another religion. I tend not to believe everything I read,see or hear. Why? Well for rading and hearing it is quuite obvious but as for SEEING? Well,lucifer himself is disguised as an angel of light so just because something looks good doesn’t mean it is.
    The mere fact that spangler is all over the net for his quotations on the luciferic initiation and he is also quoted in books of which we don’t know if the author was ever sued for libel and defamation. Where are the sites that have spangler DENYING he said such a thing? If he doesnt deny it or if he actually enjoys revelling in his growing infamy then a logical deducement MAY be that he did say it or that he DOES feel such a way.
    Evil has alot of skill in twisting truth. Evil also likes to cause worthless arguments which distract us away from seeking or finding the Truth.
    God wrote the Bible…. Don’t believe it? Okay.. google ” Bible Codes” and you decide. Also if your really into
    it,google ” cymatics” and see how soundwaves cause differnt shapes to appear in sand, water and light. The bible says God spoke the world into existence so here is some small bit of evidence…
    Anyways…. since Truth is so clouded and twisted… I find it safe to just Trust in God and His Son Yeshua.
    Everyone has a Heart and Mind that can come to the belief in The Trinity of God. I used to be involved in satanism and other occult practices. The way I came to my conclusion about God is through alot of reading,researching and experiences plus something called ” cause and effect”. Another thing is all the evidence that the 13 kingpin families in this world are really up to something. There is so much poisonous evidence out there that even if only one percent of it is true then this world is still in a heap of a mess.
    A person cannot really comment on something unless they have read and researched a subject beyond thoroughly and also only if they did so. Otherwise the statements are out of pur ignorance. I for one believe in God,His Son Yeshua and I believe the enemy who was once known as lucifer, is indeed very intelligent to the point of creating several realities for mankind along with experiences for each which cements one to believe in thier particular “religion”. The basics of Truth should be concentrated on and all else should be discarded but the curiosity to know everything often gets in the way and that alone causes alot of problems.
    Fact is this world is headed for some big changes and the only way out is to put your trust in Yeshua and Yahweh. Out of all the researhing and seeking I am doing I have come to this conclusion and have since found no reason not to stay this path. Guillotines being spotted on railcars equipted with shackles are being made in factories in washington/oregon, what are they for? Google it and find out. FEMA camps all around the country and world and also people like henry Kissinger saying, ” Obama is poised to bring in the New World Order ” all further solidify my position that there is a plan by governments around the world to come together
    as one government,one currency and one religion. The Vatican has a “black pope” and the word vatican means in latin ” prophetic Serpent” but don’t take my words for it… seek for the truth yourselves….each and everyone of us is responsible for thier own souls…..

    1. Law of One says:

      ”cymatics” and see how soundwaves cause differnt shapes to appear in sand, water and light. The bible says God spoke the world into existence so here is some small bit of evidence.”

      This individual has a lot to share. In blogs there is a tendency for skeptics to appear to be the real intellectuals because their nihilistic rhetoric makes them appear to have power. Above is a quote about how certain letters in Hebrew and Sanskrit are able to take shape in fine sand or seed, by the use of specific frequencies. Will this glance off your mind as you return to the t.v., or will you come to understand the implications of a language transcending humanity, alive or dead?

      Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey’s book, ‘Initiation, Human and Solar’ was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as ‘Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49)

      William Jasper, author of “A New World Religion” describes the religion of the UN: “…a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism”.

      There are books still in circulation where it is visible to the eye that the company is called Lucifer Trust. Just because they use the term God or even Christ to mislead, does no mean that.

      Pike’s Morals & Dogma which reads:
      “Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!”

      Pike like Bailey’s husband Foster, were high degree Freemasons. Bailey admits to being heavily influenced by Blavatsky. Find out what she was up too.

      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust12.htm

      Stop hiding behind the guise of pseudointellectualism and skepticism, and do more than state you don’t believe something and move on. Skeptics, atheists and nihilists are more repugnant than anything on this earth because they represent “sand in the gas tank” of a finely crafted machine.

      1. Jim says:

        But that means that certain letters in Hebrew and Sanskrit would be able to take shape in your gas tank! Isn’t that a good thing?

        1. Law of One says:

          How clever

        2. Anonymous says:

          You are an absolute idiot.

  19. albert w loescher says:

    I am not an anonymous entity who whispers from the perdu of foliage. ‘He knows my name’ and ‘knitted me in my my mother’s womb’. I fear no man or his government.

    Yes, Christ is the answer. It’s all about Jesus. Spangler and his ilk are doomed. So are those who are not beneath His grace.

    awl

  20. love and let live says:

    “the monkey submission response, whereby the dominant monkey causes submissive behvior in the underlings” all the while thinking they are on top of things.- that pretty much sums up the Alex Jones show.

  21. tom says:

    WE ARE ALL ON THE THRESHHOLD OF MONUMENTAL CRISIS:ECONOMIC COLLAPSE,CHAOS, THROW SOME SWINE FLU IN ,AND MIX IT UP.EVEN A DIRTY NUCLEAR BOMB MAYBE,AND THE ILLUMINATI TRAITORS WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT:A NEW WORLD ORDER. WITH THEM OF COARSE CONTROLLING ALL THE WORLDS RESOURCES. ITS A LONG PLANNED POWER GRAB. THEY ALREADY HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS TO THEM IS MORE POWER,AND MOST OF ALL ,THAT THE SON OF THEIR MASTER SATAN ,WHOSE NAME IS LORD MAITREYA,YES HE IS THE FLESH AND BLOOD SON OF THE DEVIL,THE ANTICHRIST,TAKES OVER THE NEW WORLD ORDER. TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION. YOU SKEPTICS WILL SEE HIM ON YOUR TV SET SOON-A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING IS WHAT HE IS. AND IF YOUR WONDERING HOW I KNOW THIS,I AM ILLUMINATI BLOOD. IVE HAD MY LIFE THREATENED,BEEN DISCREDITED,BEEN A VICTIM OF GANGSTALKING FOR YEARS. HARASSMENT,BURGLARY,VANDALISM,AND THEFT.THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DISCOVER,AS A RESULT OF A FALLING OUT WITH A RELATIVE,THAT HES IN THE ILLUMINATI.GLORY BE TO YAHWEH AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. P.S. DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST,YOUR CHOICE DEFINES YOUR DESTINY!

  22. AeonLumen says:

    There is a battle in the subtle realms – maybe as mentioned in the letters to corinthians? between principalities in heaven. Whether the heaven is spiritual, subtle (inner space) or physical (outer space), I don’t know. But the battle rages. Maybe an endless battle. But in the end what forces transpire to enslave?, and what forces work to free? In revelation when the Dragon rises from the pit, and the great battle ensues, the angelic army of Michael battles the pantheon of the Hindu faith. Each side is convinced they are the heroes of the story. But by their fruits you shall know them, and despite the promises of heaven, Earth is a sad place to live for most of the population. Is Earth the stage for a multi-user role play where you are some other being’s avatar? Good luck working that one out.

    1. Jim says:

      You know what I’d like to work out? Why they haven’t given the subtle realms better names. You know, like East Brunswick.

    2. Jim Morrison says:

      I got a question.. why does an all powerful deity need an army of angels? If he’s all that, top dog in the universe and such, why the need for ANOTHER Battle at har-Megiddo? The Hill of Megiddo, origin of the word “Armageddon”, sits astride the crossing of The Pharaoh’s Road(running from Egypt to Turkey), and The Spice Route(coming in from Mesopotamia). The FIRST (recorded) Battle at har-Megiddo was approx. 2600bce, and as early as 2100bce the reigning Pharaoh states that, “He who rules at Megiddo, rules the world.” “Armageddon” is a SYMBOLIC term for a battle (real or philosophical) at a crossroad..

  23. Allseeing says:

    Listen, this is all really a stupid waste of time. Christian, Athiest, whatever. Christians. Stop telling us to be like you. It’s all I ever hear about. It why I stopped being Christian to begin with. Bunch of Jealous fingerpointing cry babies. Hating life and people for living how they themselves cannot. Condemning those who are “below his grace” or whatever. And yeah, I was born into it. Roman Catholic. In a church that followed Vatican One’s traditions. The Bishop was excommunicated for doing things the “right” way, exorcisms and the like. Fact is, many Christians aren’t fingerpointing windbags, some actually are decent people, and that’s the message of Christ, isn’t it? Live by example, show the “heathens” of the world why Christians are “saved” and shiny and magical or whatever.. but PLEASE. Don’t preach a “word” of “God” to people who don’t believe in it. David Sprangeler or whatever his name is worships lucifer and wants to usher in the NWO. True, not true, why does matter? My point is,if you don’t believe in lucifer it just sounds stupid and crazy. The same goes for someone who is preaching Jesus at people who don’t even believe he exists. Best you can hope for is “pray” for them and don’t tell them they’re going to a hell they don’t believe in, because that is certainly not going to get them sworn onto your limp cause.

    And athiests are a bunch of assholes, too. And, just like christians, there are some pretty awesome ones. Though they’re usually scientists.

    Here’s what you need to do. ::points finger:: Go look up Bilderberg. Tell people about it. Write to your newspapers, write blogs about it. Go protest the lack of media coverage. This is the stuff we need to worry about, the stuff really going on. Not whether or not some jerkoff puppet politicians are having a bonfire in california, burning effigies and wanking their flacids to underaged prostitutes from the Ukraine, worshipping giant owls. They’re going to do that regardless, if that’s what they’re into. No stopping that. The point is we need to not let them hide anymore, or be in power. We need to unite, not debate over petty differences in religion and belief. You oppressive a-holes, stop telling each other what to believe and what not to. The point is, BAD PEOPLE are doing BAD THINGS for EVERYONE. And we’re going to lose our FREEDOM of CHOICE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE if we don’t do something fast.

    1. bsiegel says:

      Wow you are so angry…why? If you have chosen not to believe, then why does Christianity or athiets bother you? You dont believe…whatever, get over it. I notice that you didn’t bring up any other religions however, such as Muslim…the extremists want to kill all infidels (that means you too) If you dont like people talking about Jesus Christ, get over it…He and those of us who believe will never go away. BTW why are you so freaked out over the NWO? This should not be a surprise to anyone after all it is prophsied in the Bible in numerous passages.

      1. Anonymous says:

        wow you sound like such a christian pic.

        “Wow why so freaked out about the nwo? it’s in the bible man!! get over it! get over it!”
        i hope that you are one of the first they take to the guillotine and cut off your head when you deny the mark of the beast. he’s not even angry sounding, just concerned. you sound more negatively inclined than him. it’s people like you that put their faith in a stupid book instead of actually trying to help the world.
        it’s ridiculous. you’re the type of person that allows this stuff to happen. it’s people like you that make this world SUCK. G

        1. jon says:

          thank heaven we have “anonymous” to troll around the internet to catch people expressing opinions that he/she/it disagrees with, gret job “anony-mouse”

      2. Anonymous says:

        Wow.. What a condescending cocksucker you appear to be… This is why people hate christians…

        1. weps says:

          Aha.
          I now get it. The fact down here is that the whole issue of David Spangler is satanic. Spangler and his counterparts set up the planetary initiative to lure the world into accepting lucifer as sovereign. This is Bibilically prophesied. By truth of the matter, even as one confesses being christian, it should not be a source of anger to you. They are there to defender the truth.And there is no way the planetary initiative., UN or other org’s linked to it will bring peace,All there efforts are meant to exalt lucifer.
          Forever Jesus shall be preached.

    2. jon says:

      complain about christians “telling you what to do” then ramble for days about what they should do instead of telling you what to do.

  24. Barbara says:

    I think what David Spangler meants,in reference to Ludifer, or at least this is my understanding of the esoteric aspect, is that Lucifer in the fallen state is to do with the polarised state of human consciousness. When we forgive we forgive and heal the polarity within then Lucifer is healed along with us. That is not to mean we worship anybody but God, our Creator. In polarity the mind splits between positive and negative energy flow. The positive aspect takes all the light an inflates until it runs out of energy then it collapses, like a bubble because it has no substance and is not self sustaining. The negative aspect gives up its light to the positive pole and rotates inward until it internally combusts. The combust fire element feeds the positive pole. When the negative pole runs out of fuel the positve and negative go extinct. These are energies playing out in the mind. The decision to separate it the original cause of fission karma because it splits light. It occurs on a non-physical level but has its karmic effect in time. You can’t create without the fire elements. Splitting light feeds the ego for a time but is not generative, it leads to extinctin. I prefer to call the positive pole Lucifer and the negative aspect Satan. Two aspect of us in the fallen state. Only love is generative. It generates fire and out of the fire it draws all other elements required to feed you creative dreams, when they are in accord with the divine plan for evolution. When we live in love and forgiveness then Lucifer is redeemedalong with ourselves. But worship Lucificer .. Never! Only God.

    1. B says:

      ………………what? pure madness.

    2. weps says:

      Oh no Barbara. It seems you are already part of the New Age movement that is initiating people in the worship of satan who is the source of evil.
      The fact is even though the Planitary Initiative, Lucis Trust, UN, Or findhorn and other organizations working with them come together, the risen Christ Jesus the son of God(creator of Heaven and Earth & God of Israel) will forever reign as king of kings and Lord of Lords.
      Don’t be misled to worship God and Satan(Lucifer) because the Bible clearly states, “can both light and darkness be together””. It is absolutely impossible. So know that your view is a fallacy.

  25. A.C James says:

    You should do more research before writing such articles and making claims based on your own level of understanding, which in this case is not in line with the reality of the situation because you have done no research. Frankly I’m shocked at the amount of people out there – just like you – who form an opinion on something and then verbalise it in public, without looking further than the end of your own nose for information on it. No wonder the world is in such a mess. ‘Reimagination of the World’ is the book the Spangler quote comes from and you won’t need to do much research to find out what kind of organisation the UN are. Just look at their flag. Look at the ‘UN Habitat’ logo. If you even know the first thing about Freemasonic symbolism that logo should ring a few alarm bells. The reason it all seems so unreal is because they have gone to great pains over the years – especially through the media – to make the idea seem preposterous to the ordinary man. It is beyond the facade that is presented to us as reality. That is how they’ve got everyone in this sleep state, plodding along thinking everything’s rosey while they form their plans for ultimate power over YOU and your family. You really do need to wake up. The worship of Lucifer is synonymous with the Illuminati and the whole NWO movement, by the way. It is well documented.

  26. A.C James says:

    Also, you may want to look into the persons responsible for forming and directing the UN. It’s the NWO mob, if you were not aware of that fact.

    1. Fruktata says:

      But A.C., there is no NWO mob. It’s just a part of your imagination.

      I could as easily accuse YOU of being part of the NWO mob. You are, A.C. You know it! Stop lying about it!

  27. Bemused says:

    I have a suggestion. Why don’t people read some material of people that have been involved with Freemasonry, former Occultists and look into the connections both historical and current between some of the organisations and political groups etc? Also, why not take a look at the Bible and prophecies relating to these times? Don’t laugh or ‘poo-poo’ it until you’ve researched it.

    1. Hendrix says:

      Which part of the Bible has the prophecies for January 2011?

  28. Anonymous says:

    You must remember that we are now living to what the Bible says “end times”, where Antichrist’, false prophets, etc. exist.
    Warning: To those who deny God, whether you believe it or not God holds our lives and the reason why we’re still alive is He is waiting us to turn to Him because He loves us so much. God cares but if you don’t care.Sorry to say but HELL IS REAL!!!

    1. F.G. Fitzer says:

      Have you seen Hell? Did they take your name down in Hell? Is that why you post here anonymously?

      I’m sorry, but I can’t remember something that I’ve never known. Does the Christian Bible talk about 2012? I certainly don’t remember that.

      1. who cares says:

        Here some knoweledge for you….Revelations if you don’t believe me look it up, if of course you can read, guessing by the way you type probly not. Any how, revelations says any one with a mind can calculate who the beast is….God gave you a brain, use it!

        1. Jim Morrison says:

          Neatly enuf, the first man whose name added up to 666 under the Hebrew Cabala (which holds that every letter has a corresponding numeric value) was…wait for it… Nero Cesar, the Roman Emperor who was busy persecuting Christians when Revelations was written..so ur “Mark of the Beast” (the requirement that you be a citizen of Rome to buy, sell or trade) has already come and gone..sorry.

  29. Alan Torell says:

    It is not baloney. The quote comes from Spangler’s book – “Re-imaging the World”

  30. Alan Torell says:

    Exuse me, I meant “Re-imagining the World”

    1. Jim Cook says:

      1. The title of his book is “Reimagination of the World: A Critique of the New Age, Science, and Popular Culture,” indicating to me that maybe you haven’t read it. Can you give me a page number on which this supposed “quote” is found?

      2. Even if he said it, David Spangler is not and never has been the “Director of Planetary Initiative” at the United Nations.

  31. Smart Guy says:

    I’m not sure about the origins of the Spangler quote, but I have done enough research into the occultist side of secret societies to know, that they’re very much into “New Age” philosophy, and some do indeed believe that Lucifer is God…

    Many of the global-elitists believe in God, but they believe that God was harshly punishing Adam and Eve by forbidding them from eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge… They believe that Satan is the true God of humanity, because he gave humans the gift of intellect, and that this is what separates us from the other animals… Furthermore, they believe that with this gift that Satan has granted us, that we can all become Gods in our own right….

    As for Alex Jones……..

    I firmly believe that if we are successful in stopping the New World Order, then you will read about Alex Jones in future American History text-books…. Monuments will be built around the globe in honor of Alex Jones and Ron Paul…..

    I have zero doubt that Alex Jones sincerely believes in this cause… He’s not perfect, but we could certainly use more men like him….. I love Alex Jones, he’s a good dude…..

  32. Smart Guy says:

    The Spangler quote (real or not) is far from the only evidence that suggests that the UN has ties with Luciferian beliefs…..

    If you really seek the truth in this matter, then there’s at least a couple of names that need to be researched….

    Nicholas Roerich
    and Madam Blavatsky

    Both of them were early followers of the “One-World” doctrine, and both played influential roles in the UN and among its founders….. Both were also New Age Luciferians…. These are indisputable FACTS…

    Whether or not you believe there’s a link between Lucifer and the impending world government – Cant most of us agree that the UN is not working for the greater good, and that a system of world government is not in the best interest of humankind?

    1. Jim Cook says:

      Those are unsourced claims. Source them and I’ll look into them.

  33. Paul Rhodes says:

    “Lucifer comes to give us the final … Luciferic initiation … that many people now and in the days ahead, will be facing—for it is an initiation into the New Age. … No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian initiation.”

    Quote by: David Spangler
    Source: “Reflections on the Christ,” a book by David Spangler/William Thompson, p. 133; quoted in Unicorn in the Sanctuary, by Randy England, 1978

    1. Jim Cook says:

      1. Notice all the ellipses
      2. Offer all the partial quotes of Spangler that you like. It doesn’t change that he isn’t, wasn’t, and will never be part of the UN.

    2. Interested Party says:

      It does NOT say ‘make the pledge to worship Lucifer’! Where did you get this quote?!?

  34. Constance E. Cumbey says:

    So you want the exact quote. You probably will not find it on a “hyperlink” because David Spangler published these words in his 1978 book, REFLECTIONS ON THE CHRIST. I am presently holding in my hand the third edition (Findhorn Press, Scotland) which was released in 1981, the same year I discovered Mr. Spangler’s er, uh, rather interesting and decidedly Luciferic theology. The book looks innocuous enough on the cover. One could probably carry it into Sunday School and not attract undue attention unless one were familiar with the provocative contents. Chapter IV, pages 32 through 45 are dedicated to ‘LUCIFER, CHRIST, AND GOD.’

    . . . Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now . . . will be facing, for it is an initiation in to the New Age . . .”

    Now for the part that those who don’t go along will “disappear,” please turn to Mr. Spangler’s Lorian Press (1976) published book REVELATION THE BIRTH OF A NEW AGE.. Please turn to pages 163-164. There we read:

    What will happen to those who cannot attune to the new? Where will they go? . . . Furthermore, it is not really important to know where the old pattern will go; we are assured that it is shepherded by the Christ and will be fully ministered to by this cosmic presence. . . HOWEVER, there are a few words which can be said about where the old world and those attuned to it will go. Throughout creation there are infinite spheres of environment representing and educating all stages of conscious . . . Some of these are physical planets like Earth. . . . It is possible that , , , they can be contained and ministered to until such time as they can be RELEASED SAFELY INTO PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT AGAIN . . . THEY WILL LOSE, FOR THE TIME BEING, THEIR ACCESS TO THE EHTERIC PLANES OF POWER and the ability to control or influence the developments upon earth . . .

    Well, as I have been reporting and saying for the past 30 years, “tell you what, David baby, why don’t you go first? Send us a postcard.

    AND, David Spangler was clearly on the cutting edge of the United Nations 1975 “First Planetary Celebration, October 24. 1975, for which Planetary Citizens acted as secretariat.

    Constance E. Cumbey
    cumbey@gmail.com

    1. Jim Cook says:

      Constance E. Cumbey,

      1. You’re still using ellipses.
      2. On the “First Planetary Celebration,”

      http://archives-trim.un.org/webdrawer/rec/423068/view/Items-in-Secretary-Generals%20Statements.PDF

      David Spangler was on the Board of Directors of a separate organization, Planetary Citizens. But Planetary Citizens was a private organization (see also here: http://www.hoveyda.net/planet1.html) which celebrated the United Nations with its own First Planetary Celebration Day on October 24 2012. That was not a United Nations event, and Planetary Citizens was not part of the United Nations.

      None of this even remotely makes David Spangler part of the United Nations.

  35. babymalai says:

    anyone who is in ANY doubt whatsoever that the UN is a LUCIFERIAN ORGANIZAITON, go to Lucis Trut’s website, search and article called DESCENT AND SACRIFICE, right there , IN BLACK AND WHITE, it states OUTRIGHT , THAT THEY BELEIVE THAT LUCIFER IS THE SAVIOR OF MAN, IN THAT ARTICLE, THAT ALSO APPEARED IN THE BEACON MAGAZINE!
    Lucis Trust is the spiritual center at the UN, has a seat, and meditation room at the UN, it was founded by Alice Bailey to publish all her literature,(while channeling a supposed ASCENDED MASTER) which, is the SAME ENTITIES THE ASCENSIONERS ARE CHANNELING, BUT THEY CALL THEM ALIENS, THEY ARE INTER DIMENSIONAL ENTITIES, AND ACCORDING TO THE UN’S LITERATURE? THEY ARE HAILING AND USHERING IN THE RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE, THE RIDER FROM THE SECRET PLACE ON DEC 21, 2012! TO GET INFO OFF OF BOTH SITES, the UN website, and Lucis Trust, you have to be able to type in searches that ask for the right material OR YOU WILL NEVER FIND IT! now, if you read Alice Bailey’s literature on this, you see, first you MUST KNOW THAT SHE;S A DICIPLE OF HELENA BLAVATSKY, then knowing this, and she was also the head of the Theosophical Society after Helena, THEY OUTRIGHT STATE THAT LUCIFER IS THE LORD OF THIS WORLD, THEY GLORIFY LUCIFER EVERY CHANCE THEY GET, except, you see, ALICE BAILEY was very careful with her words, you have really dig into her literature to hear her state that, BUT SHE DOES, and knowing that Helena, Manly P Hall, Albert Pike, many many others, all believe the SAME DOCTRINE, the Secret Doctrine,sounds all crazy doesn’t it? people are ignorant, ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE FOR US TO SEE, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE ALOT OF KNOWLEDGE TO GET IT, YOU NEED TO READ THEIR LITERATURE ETC, or you will never know, and the majority of the masses DON;T, they count on our ignorance, that’s why it’s all Hidden in Plain Sight, THE UNITED NATIONS IS THE ELIE’S TROJAN HORSE, their real agenda is WORLD GOVERNMENT, WORLD RELIGION, look into Alice Bailey’s book Externalizaiton of the Heirarchy, we are on the EVE OF THE EXTERNALIZATION OF THE HEIERARCHY, this is when (whomever it is they are bringing here) returns and RULES HUMANITY, like they did ONCE BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY, IN THE DAYS OF ATLANTIS, lol, isn’t this funny, WELL, BELIEVE ME, THE UNITED NATIONS, AND IT’S MINIONS ALL BELIEVE THIS CRAP, AND RELIOUSLY! you don’t have to believe a DAMN THING! but know, they are not here in her literature to wait for JESUS,she talks about the RETURN of THE CHRIST, and it’s NOT JESUS, seriously folks!

    1. Jim Morrison says:

      Well, here it is, WAAAY past Dec. 21, 2012 and whadayaknow, NO Astral Beings, NO ‘Luciferian Pledge” being forced on us by jackbooted UN thugs, not even a WHISPER from the Mayan gods who were supposed to be returning on the same date..
      At what point do you all begin to realize that, JUST MAYBE, you are WRONG?

  36. Rania says:

    “I warn you against him (i.e. the antichrist) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.” – Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)

    1. Jim Cook says:

      “The perfect complement to those days when you want to watch time melt away! Hangs on any shelf.” — The Melting Dali Clock

  37. Paul T says:

    The world has been a war zone as long as history has been recorded; should it be surprising, if there is more going on than can be seen physically, that there is a war in the unseen realms also? In fact, viewing the world through the lens of world(s) always at war, is the only means to make sense of what cannot make sense any other way. Are you a “scientist”, only believing in “facts” and “cause and effect”? If so, you then, who say things like, “well, the only reason we can’t conclude on the matter is because we don’t yet have the means to measure what we currently can’t measure…” Right. Well, yes, you are right, you’re right in that you shouldn’t be closed off to the idea you have no idea what is really going on yet, and every time you learn a little more, you discover there are universes yet to be unraveled – universes of perfect coordination and mathematical precision implying the odds of “everything coming together to make ‘x’ possible is astronomically impossible!” Guess what? There are infinite numbers of this impossible odds equations, but yet, they all are here and working gracefully, perfectly. The eyeballs you’re reading through right now are works of grace, perfection, and glory. Look at a rose, smell it, touch it – there is a story in one rose that is endless – but we take a glance, get a whiff (smells good!), and walk right on by to watch a re-run on the sofa. Invisible news flash!!! The whole universe is a rose, and very, very few stop to wonder…
    If you cannot “see” this, or even entertain the possibility that you don’t have all the answers, you are lost. Lost doesn’t mean you’re a lost cause, it’s precisely opposite. But, when someone is lost in the woods, they do not initially believe they are lost, when indeed they already are, but the reality of it has not yet entered the mind – that is the state mankind is in. They cannot “see” where they are, and don’t know they are “lost” – but the important question is – what are we lost to? People are not yet “alive” to what really is behind what is called “Life”.
    Oh oh…fear… Here comes fear…what am I to do? to believe? who has the real truth? will the truth be something I can’t bear? will it mean I have to change everything? give up everything? OH NO!!! I don’t want to know, I’m AFRAID!!! Don’t talk about truth! I’d rather believe what I currently believe!!!
    Actually that’s a normal reaction, and there is no shame in it. Guess what the number one statement in the Bible is? Yep…”Don’t be afraid.” The God who left fingerprints on everything around and in us, also knows us…and loves us. He made us. And He says many times, “Don’t be afraid.”
    Now along comes a nobody like me who says “I can see…”, “I know where I am, I’m not lost!” – the reaction of those listening react by either denying that they’re lost (because they still don’t know they are) and mocking, or, they wonder about the possibility of being lost and start listening or searching for answers, or, they only needed a slight nudge to confirm what they instinctively have known for years – that they are totally lost, or should I say not yet found, and that notion causes fear, which makes them vulnerable to lies/false teachers, as they grope for meaning.
    Why would you listen to what I have to say? Am I going to tell the truth? What could some stranger on a blog know that I don’t? Great questions. Valid, reasonable questions. Here’s your answers…
    1. You are living in a “body suit” of flesh, typically lasting for about 70 years or so. The “you” I’m talking about, is the life inside you, your soul. You can cut off an arm, but your soul is “what” “you” are, not your flesh. You don’t know how “you”, your soul, came to be, or how it ended up in your body prior to birth, nor when it will be that your soul leaves your body. And what happens then? “You” is a combination of flesh, soul, mind, heart, will – mostly what cannot be seen ironically. Your combination of these, all together as one person, is an “image” of Him. An image of God…that is WHAT you are.
    He brought you and all else into being – He knows you…really, really well. If you’re thinking you might just also be a son or daughter of the living God…you’re right. Go, look up the genealogy of Jesus, Luke 3, you will find Adam was called, the “son of God”. We all bear God’s image. “God is not willing that any should perish” – II Peter 3:9. Not one. Not you.
    Is there for me money in writing all this? No. I don’t know who you are, but I know you bear His image, therefore you are precious to God – no matter what you have done, said, or thought. Someone in my past said, “Hey brother, I found ‘good food’ that satisfied me, go, and find out for yourself and enjoy!”. When you eat a good meal, the normal response is to tell others, especially your friends. My God said to go tell everyone. Guess He loves everyone… Jesus said, “I will never turn away anyone who comes to me.” Go. Go to Him. If you think you have to “shape up” first, you will never go – so everyone who goes to Jesus goes “as they are”, like the prodigal son, a big mess – WATCH OUT NOW, WHO IS THAT IN THE DISTANCE RUNNING AT ME…COULD IT BE…MY FATHER, WHO I THOUGHT WOULDN’T CARE IF I CAME BACK? YES. THE FATHER COMES RUNNING TO YOU, AND WRAPS HIS ARMS AROUND YOU IN LOVE, AND HEAVEN CELEBRATES!!! SO GO!!!!! He will receive you. Your sins are forgiven. What Jesus did, on that cross, was enough. You can rest now. You will never have to try to measure up – Jesus came for freedom, freedom for US! That is good news!!!! And He will be faithful to you even though you will make many mistakes and foolish decisions – does a good parent reject their own when their child makes mistakes and poor decisions? No. “He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.” Philippians 1:6
    I am not ignorant…as a believer, I have enough experience thru the years…I’m sick to the gut to have to say, more than ever in the US, there are lots of false teachers, they will always exist and steal, etc., just like in anything else. You will have to be on guard, so when in doubt, cling to Jesus of Nazareth alone – not a teacher, not a pastor, not a priest, or pope, or any other person/thing, etc. They have not laid down their life for you on a cross and rose again to life, and for us – the Living God did – because you are loved more than can possibly be imagined.
    2. Verify what I have written on your own by reading, start with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the Bible. See for yourself. Taste and see the Lord is good.

    1. Charles Williams says:

      I did a little research on the set up of the United Nations its set up by Satanists trying to decieve Christians its a Godly system like the Free Maons Its classify Jesus Christ as a prophet not God thats blasphemy breaking the First Commandment but Christ said the whole world is under the sway of the evil one Revelations says the kings of the earth are prepared for the great battle against God Almighty so I mean theres signs everywhere Christians dont fear death be loyal to Your King

  38. freeish says:

    Fuck alex jones , they would never let him be seen on television unless he worked for NWO

  39. sompompir says:

    “Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.”

    by:
    David Spangler
    (1945- ) American spiritual philosopher, author, considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age movement
    Source:
    his book, Reflections on the Christ, p. 45
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So, what you claim is that someone had to make up the quote about luciferian initiation, although Spangler says practically the same thing in his book? Couldnt the supposed “fabricator” simply quote the book? Srry, but I’d say you are not concerned abut the real issue here, but more likely you get payed for distracting people away from it.

  40. borism says:

    Its pretty sad that people who are supposedly trying to spread the truth are prepared to engage in such deliberate misrepresentation.

  41. Maria says:

    Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, Amen.

    1. J Clifford says:

      Big Bird is the King of Nepal, I said it.

  42. Rich says:

    In reading many comments, several ungodly ones, I believe I saw a lot of self righteousness and pride overflowing from the minds of atheists. For those who would say: “I don’t believe in Righteousness”, well, … you sure seem convinced of your own, and that in preference to God’s. That is not the position that I take. Nevertheless, I want to encourage you. Many of you who do not want to receive the Lord, nor know of Him, You will be granted your desire. Many of you who are bent on going to hell will also be granted in accordance to your (apparent) desire and stubborn insistence. You will go to hell. Yes, if in continual insistence, and hardness of heart, then you will. It’s a sure thing. You will ‘arrive’. Congratulations will NOT be in order. “Hell” being defined as a literal a place of torment and suffering for all eternity. There is no comfort for a fool in hell. No consolation. No more boasting. Since you are so great as you want to imagine yourself to be in your wisdom, Why not begin to thank yourself now? When it all ‘hits the fan’, then you will have eternity to remember all the times that you adamantly said: “No, no, NO!” “I don’t like Green Eggs and Ham!”, you insisted, – figuratively speaking. No! In other words, you could not think outside of the box, but imagine now, … forever being boxed in, … no way out, no escape, no recess, … forever in a place and situation where there is excruciating pain, but no pain pills, no Excedrins, no deliverance, no coooling, no water, and no relief. How stubborn can men and women be? Obviously, (or it will be “obviously”, [future tense], but then it will be too late, [past sense/past tense]) too stubborn. Some people like to say: Well, why doesn’t God just speak to me?, that’s all I ask, is that too much? First of all, why tempt God? Seeing that He has already painstakingly provided 66 books for you. How many have you (sincerely, intently, and genuinely) read? How many New Testament books have your read? Now compare that to all the other books that you have read, and how many times you have read them? He has spoken to many of you also through witnesses that you instantly rejected, without a thought, or a quibble. He even spoke to you in Israel becoming a sovereign nation again, just as prophesied, but you put your hands over your ears, with earnest zeal. You would not receive it. No, once in hell, you will not be able to offer up any excuses, because God gave you EVERY chance, but you were a non-responder, a hundred times over. I hope that does not describe you, but if it does, your reward will be an appropriate one, which you chose.

    1. J Clifford says:

      Rich, when you talk of us receiving lords, you are speaking from a medieval point of view.

      Time has passed, and it is not “hardness of heart” for us to reject the cruel ideas of ages past, where religion offers up the idea of an afterlife as cruel as a medieval lord’s dungeons, where, once the door is locked, “you will not be able to offer up any excuses” to be saved from torture, because the lord of the castle gave us every opportunity to be obedient.

      Really, do you think you’re going to convince us with this sadistic, archaic language?

    2. Mark says:

      Rich,
      I find it interesting to note that you said that God “has already painstakingly provided 66 books” for us to read. You question how many we’ve read compared to all the other books we’ve read. Why do you limit yourself to the 66 books in the Protestant Bible? What about the additional books in the Catholic Bible? Have you read them? What about all the holy books that the Council of Rome decided not to include?

      Have you read the Jewish Torah? Have you read the Koran? What about the Book of Mormon? The Hindu Vedas? The Buddhist Tripitaka? I’m sure there are dozens of other holy books. If you haven’t read them, why not? Aren’t these also books provided by God?

      The point I’m trying to make is that your version of God and the universe is constrained to the one religious book you’ve read. If you were more widely read then maybe you wouldn’t be so Hell bent (pun intended) on insisting that all the answers are in the Bible.

      By the way, I have read the entire Bible and I while some of the messages are worthwhile as a way to live ones life, the overall context and preposition is one that I have decided to reject. If God exists (and I see no evidence for His existence) then isn’t he a God of mercy and benevolence? What difference would it make to Him if I pray to Him and worship Him. As long as I live a decent, good, honest, and loving life, wouldn’t that be enough for Him to grant me admission to Heaven?

  43. McGyver says:

    Please excuse, I do not chose to comment on the topic, however I have some general things to say.
    The teachings of the man called Jesus I prefer had mostly to do with “The golden rule” The blood sacrifice and all that not so much.
    In my life I have learned that I do not have answers for others, trying not to make statements of a topic. I have found asking the right questions is more stimulating,thought provoking and less of a belief system challenge.
    This is how I feel.
    Freedom is knowing you and your neighbors, eat until the next harvest, drink until the next rainfall, enabling us to build strong, safe domiciles.
    While this may not sit well with your current paradigm of thought, please remember to ask; “Is it my thought?”.

    If there is focus on the differences of others we may never really know them, or ourselves. Focus on the commonality in all things and “cult”ure will fade from view.

    1. John McArdle says:

      When “fundie” religious people get all in your face “You ARE GOING TO HELL!” thats where I completely ignore them. Even groups like the Hare Krishnas have said things like “If you do not chant the holy names you will go to a hell realm.” Here is the basic “meme” thread if you will when it comes to religions or “cults”. A ancient manuscript or scriptures which has a supernatural paranormal story as to the condition of things in the afterlife to whatever degree. Also if you do not adhere properly to this religion or cult and it’s scriptures you are doomed in the next life or whatever. It’s really simply ignorance & superstition and “cult” like brainwashing. EPIC FAIL especially the “fundie” Christians in the USA voting for republicans. Super BiG ignorances Trying to make the USA thier nation under thier god. All others excluded until they are “raptured” If anything the USA is something much more sinister Founded By Freemasons? With a majority republican congress and senate and a republican president elected in 2016. WE Will be headed ever more quickly to Armagedeon world war 3. Clue and BiG Hint = Bank of england/House of Saudi. USA USA USA BWOOOP BWOOOP BWOOOP GAME OVER you lose Miss Pac Man emphasis…LOL!
      Or this one –> ALL your Base are belong to US! SEGA! Passing out tin foil hats to all the idiots!

  44. Paul Glenn Cawley says:

    While the quote by David Spangler is unsourced and commonly referenced on the Internet, Spangler makes a similar statement from his book, Reflections on the Christ, where on page 45 he writes:
    “Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.”

  45. Paul Glenn Cawley says:

    While the quote is unsourced and commonly referenced on the Internet, Spangler makes a similar statement from his book, Reflections on the Christ, where on page 45 he writes:
    “Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.”
    — Editor, Liberty Quotes

  46. Joe Hagmann says:

    Mr. Spangler admits to saying this and it is available on his site her – http://lorianassociation.com/42/

    from the article – I doubt she ever read the lecture, or if she did, she ignored completely what I had to say or how I defined the “Luciferic Initiation.”

  47. Awake says:

    David Spangler “provides the non-Christian aspect of the conspiracy, as a teacher of online courses through the Lorian Association and the a number of books about spiritual “manifestation” ” = Classic lucubration doctrine.
    The UN supports the creation of the NGO and therefor Endorses it virtue of the nature of the entire Left wing movement.
    Leftest are not inclined to support any Christian goal oriented NGO now are they ? Examples, Darwin and Marx were also Luciferian. Are folks unaware of the activities at Bohemian Grove ?

  48. Will.p says:

    Do any of you take the time to read this shit. If you did you would realise why the world we live in is in it up to it’s eyebrows. The people and the doctrines you are obsessed with only exist because you are obsessed with them. The result is fear, which produces hatred, which is the point of their agenda. They are pathetic, weak-minded morons who feed on the pleasure they get from your willingness to participate in their stupid infantile games. There weapon is dividing the enemy – you, and making you fight amongst yourselves, so they invented religion, politics, money. They have a name for you – SHEEPLE. (People that act like sheep). If you could break free from the shackles of their mind-bending propaganda machine, you could stop the hatred they feed on, and start to think for yourself. Remember, there is no left or right…politics was made up by them to give them control. Religion is a myth that they invented. Anyone with an iota of free – thought would realise this. Anyone who “worships” a god is obviously not thinking straight. It’ s called brainwashing, and it is used to divide and rule. Anyone who wants to dispute this, I would be more than willing to debate in depth. I am not, by the way, disputing the existence of God or Gods, past or present, just the futility and divisiveness of organised, hysteria and hatred – producing religious doctrines. There are so many
    different beliefs, so which is right. And if you are all right, then why do you hate
    each other? Because that’s why they invented it…..Divide and rule. Money? It ‘s
    worthless. It was designed for one reason…..to keep us in debt, because if you’re in debt you are in need, and if you are in need, then you obey. (Google Eustace Mullins). United we stand – divided we fall. And unfortunately they have succeeded in dividing us. If you really want to break free from this control they have, then stop being a sheep and start thinking for yourself……or perhaps with your neighbor, even if he is left/right, rich/ poor, Christian/ Jew/ Muslim/ Seik / Budhist /Catholic/Protestant/Methodist….church of this, that or the other. Why not start a new religion….call it the “Church of Humanity” or a new political doctrine called “Middle” then you can all get together and help each other. At the very least, stop slagging each other off. Peace and love. It’s out there somewhere.

  49. JOTL says:

    A new seeker brings new eyes.

    One government
    One currency
    One religion

    We’ve looked to the UN for the first two, but the third is not a religion we have known before. A new religion for the New World, that we must disavow rather than embrace. The powers that be have Christenened us all believers. It is a false religion, promising fire flood and famine unless we make penance, and we do. We all sacrifice and believe, sacrifice and believe, as the Planetary Commission reaps the benefit.

    It is the same as always, the Jesuits create a catastrophic and catalyzing event, climate change scripture, and as always a profitable conflict is created. But in this, the one religion CREATES the one government and the one currency while humanity begs forgiveness for FALSE sins. The new heretics for the new world are DENIERS. Science is UPSIDE DOWN. As always, the word of truth falls on deaf ears and the powers that be create the NWO while all humanity looks to an apocalypse that will never be. Wake up.

    One Religion. One belief. Silence is UNSUSTAINABLE. The truth will save us.

    At the edge of history, only the truth will save us. I have faith in humanity. It is programmed but it is not lost. They cannot hear or see the truth and are scared to look. We must expose the PLANETARY HOAX to stop the AGENDA.

  50. Lois says:

    Jack Spangler is a very dangerous man! He’s lying in wait for everyone to let their guards down, then he’ll pounce! He is a satanist and he will try to make people worship lucifer! Don’t be fooled by his innocent deminor, he did say that to be in the New World Order, which is satan oriented and he is a member. The new world order is mentioned in the Bible, and that it’s the time when we must receive the mark of the beast. When that happens, we will be under the power of the devil and are damned to Hell for eternity! Personally, I will NEVER RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!! I WILL NEVER BE PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, OR FOLLOW JACK SPANGLER!! This will come to pass and millions upon millions will be sucked into it!! God, have mercy on their souls, for they know not what they do!!😢🙏🏼! Watch out for anything that seems too good to be true, because it is! It is like the wolf wearing a sheepdog clothing! It is not what it seems! It’s leading people straight to Hell!!!

  51. Beth says:

    It is written…Throw not your pearls to the swine.

  52. Stung! says:

    Are people who undergo the Luciferian esoteric initiation spoken of by David Spengler programed like Cattle led to the slaughter?
    After they place you into Spiritual captivity Revelation 13;10, how do they continue to program you? Is this how the Nazis in Germany were programed and desensitized to human values of goodness?
    Do they make witchcraft fun for you as long as you follow along with the Hog Wartz programing of dehumanization?
    Is Transcendental meditation / altered states of consciousness the main method of initiation were you accept one of the many demonic “g”ods of the Illuminated “Free” \m/asons and associated tentacles of Satanism?
    Do they actually inform you that this is the Unholy Baptism of the Devil / spiritual captivity Revelation13:10?
    Do you at first take your spiritual stamp of acceptance on the forehead becoming a slave of Satan, and then work your way down the later of eternal damnation receiving the un glorified spiritual mark on the right hand becoming a servant of the most evil one?
    Do you have to perform so many hours of services such as Gang stalking, mind manipulation, programing, demonology review to qualify? Benjamin Cream states that through your unholy baptism of damnation you will be able to receive telepathic messages from ascended demonic spirits master in your own language simultaneously. Helen Blavatsky refers to your mind controlled state as a universal mind set / Christ like consciousness. What do you think it is, or are you allowed to think for your selves?
    I understand that Fallen Angels have given man ancient wisdom in the form of a powerful delusion, Is this were they have come up with the term Age of Aquarius? What is the term G.W. Bush refers to a 1000 points of light?
    Do you understand Satan comes to seek out who he can consume and destroy, in short force as many souls into captivity as he can reaping the weeds for the fire? Its written as the sixth Trumpet of God!

  53. Stung! says:

    Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, Fake truth movement exposed 1-12, watch these ones. STUNG!

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