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Are Unitarians Further Than Atheism?

I know some Unitarians, and I know some other people who get itchy around the very presence of Unitarians. There is, I think, something inherently itchy about Unitarians, something of a looseness that unnerves people.

There are two aspects to that Unitarian looseness – one that’s easy and lazy, and the other that adopts a more conscientious flexibility with a purpose. Which aspect of that itchy looseness defines Unitarian Universalism? Both… and neither one, actually. That’s the matter that I discuss in today’s new Further Than Atheism article:

Is Unitarianism Further Out Than Atheism?

11 thoughts on “Are Unitarians Further Than Atheism?”

  1. Bob S-K says:

    Right on, brother. I’m a UU myself. I consider Unitarian Universalism less a religion and more a sensible state of mind. It’s a pretty decent model for how to be in community with others, but–as you point out–it’s not a set of beliefs or even a guideline for belief.

  2. Robin Edgar says:

    If Unitarian*Universalism is a “sensible state of mind” how is it that so many Unitarian*Universalists aka U*Us say and do so many unsensible, to say nothing of outright stupid and harmful. . . things?

  3. J. Clifford says:

    Robin, could you provide some context for that statement? If you have some specific basis for what you’ve said, that would be educational for us.

  4. Bob S-K says:

    Robin, I’d wager that the stupid and harmful things relate to the people’s own stupidity and not to UUism. I know plenty of Christians who say harmful things, plenty of atheists, etc. You get the picture.

    But, yes, examples would help.

  5. Robin Edgar says:

    I can provide plenty of context for that statement J. Cliffor. You might want to check out The Emerson Avenger blog or just Google “Robin Edgar” and Unitarians for no shortage of context about the stupid and harmful things that U*Us do. I think that you will find the exercise to be a real eye opener.

    Bob, I do get the picture. My statement clearly speaks about Unitarian*Universalists i.e. U*U *people* doing stupid and harmful things. My question is still entirely valid. Why do U*U people repeatedly, and even quite consistently and obstinately, do incredibly insensible, stupid, and outright harmful things if Unitarian*Universalism is such a “sensible state of mind”?

  6. Jim says:

    I think Bob’s answer is a pretty good one: people are people (so why should it be, you and I should get along so awfully? Bam bam bam). People are people. We all have our tendencies toward the fickle nasties, each and every one of us. I bet if you approached any UU congregation you’d find loads of stories of perfidy. That doesn’t mean that Unitarian Universalism is itself a nasty approach, because I bet if you approached any group period with more than ten members you’d find loads of stories of perfidy. The UU approach can be evaluated separately from UU people.

    By the way, I’m not a UU myself, so I’m not speaking as someone with a bone to pick (I’ll have the clavicle, please) in this fight.

  7. Robin Edgar says:

    Well actually Jim, one of the very reasons that rather too many U*Us say and do stupid and harmful things is precisely because these hypocritical U*Us totally disregard and wantonly violate the very principles and purposes and other ideals that U*Us fraudulently “covenant” to “affirm and promote”. . . Needless to say a have a few bones to pick and in the case of stunningly bone-headed U*Us I will have the cranium. 😉

  8. J. Clifford says:

    Robin, once again, you completely fail to provide any specifics here. It’s not enough for you to tell us to go look elsewhere. You’re making an argument HERE, and so far, you have not given any actual examples to support your case HERE.

  9. Robin Edgar says:

    I directed you to where you could find plenty of context Jim. Believe me you don’t want it HERE if only because it will take up way too much space. . . If you want to narrow your search a bit try running Google searches on –

    “Robin Edgar” and Unitarian stupidity

    or “Robin Edgar” and stupid Unitarians

    “Robin Edgar” and harmful Unitarians

    “Robin Edgar” and Unitarian hypocrisy

    “Robin Edgar” and Unitarian injustices

    “Robin Edgar” and Unitarian censorship

    etc. etc.

  10. J. Clifford says:

    Robin, if you are not capable of making a short summary of these alleged atrocities by Unitarian Universalists, then I suspect you don’t really have a strong case to begin with.

    It looks like you’re just trying to use this space to get publicity for yourself. That’s pretty sad.

  11. Jim says:

    Robin, I’ve looked at your pages. To me, they’re not very convincing of much besides your sense of alienation. Whatever is driving you to do this, I hope that you feel better soon.

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