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Message to a Heathen from a Sarah Palin Supporter

A few days ago, I placed the following video online, so that people could see the bizarre ideas being promoted by Sarah Palin’s church in Wasilla. This is the church at which Palin gave a speech on June 8th this year, proclaiming that the fighting and killing of American soldiers in Iraq is a part of God’s will, and a fossil fuel pipeline in Alaska is too.

In response to the video a supporter of Sarah Palin wrote,

“Fuck you heathen, I bet you can see Hell creeping up on your life already, can’t you?”

Every time I see journalists refer to people like this as “values voters”, I feel the urge to vomit.

25 comments to Message to a Heathen from a Sarah Palin Supporter

  • Julie

    This video seems pretty vague and harmless to me. Contrast it if you will by BArak Obama’s church of 20 years where he was much more than just a member. Black liberation theolgy is the doctrine of the United Trinty Church of Che (Guevara.) That doctrine is pure Marxism with a anti white and jewish concentration. Barak Obama’s own books are full of racist statements and he has referred to the wacky reverend Wright his spiritual mentor. Obama’s ex-church which it couldn’t bring himself to leave until Rev. Wrights attacks became directed at Obama himself, has celebrated people like Louis Farakhan. They are clear supporters of Nation of Islams version of Islam. So maybe this video of Sarah Palins church is a little goofy, but compared to Barak Obama, his racism, his sexism, his support for infanticide and his constant lies, Sarah Palins church does not frighten this liberal democrat one bit. I will be voting for McCain-Palin in the fall, God save my party the do-nothing democrats!

  • Jim

    You left out his connection to space aliens. Come on. You can’t even spell his name right. It’s BaraKKK. He’s a member of the Klan, you know.

  • Juniper

    Infanticide? Pure Marxism? A Christian church is Islamic? Che Guevara?

    Then, Sarah Palin’s church says that American soldiers should continue to fight and be killed in Iraq for the glory of God, and you’re okay with that?

    In what way are you a “liberal” Democrat, voting for John McCain’s war in Iraq, offshore drilling, tax breaks for corporations, legalization of torture, attacks against habeas corpus, Big Brother spying, hugs for George W. Bush?

    Is that what you call “liberal”, Julie?

  • EvilPoet

    Julie – Both McCain and Palin are liars. Lying is a sin. Why do religious people support them? I don’t get that. Do you think god would be OK with lying? According to most scripture that is not even remotely OK. Or are you saying it’s OK to cherry-pick the bible? Perhaps my atheism impairs my ability to understand and grasp fully such deep and profound contradictions. Care to enlighten me?

  • Tom

    Palin is just an “L (as in lie)” away from pain.

  • Jen

    That video is completely harmless! It’s a video for a youth conference, trying to get kids involved! Of course Christians are not perfect, just forgiven. and yes, athiesm DOES impair ability to understand spiritual concepts according to the Bible. II Corinthians 4:4 and Ephesians 4:18.
    God is NOT OK with lying, and Christians shouldn’t be, either. For that matter, pretty much everyone knows it is wrong. But if Christians were perfect, they wouldn’t need Jesus, would they?

  • Victor

    Jen, you do understand that the church program encourages teenagers to engage in acts of prophecy in which they are told that God is showing them the destiny of the world, and how they, and their government, will participate in the gigantic world war for Jesus to come, don’t you? You realize that Sarah Palin comes out of that same church, and was taught the same things, and still believes them, don’t you?

    You may find that to be harmless. You may think that you’ll be on the winning side of this holy war that these radicals, including Sarah Palin, believe in.

    As for the rest of us, it’s quite disturbing, and we’re not convinced by you quoting your own holy book to prove that your holy book is true.

  • Jen

    Just learned that sarah doesnt even go to that church any more. she goes to an inter-denominational church in Juno.

    guess there are radicals all over, and they are all dangerous. I am not a charistmatic or dispensationalist, but have known some and attended some of their services. I have never, ever known them to believe that God is telling them through prophecy how they will participate in the supposed gigantic world war. Even if they did, though, these people are not militant. They do not believe in forcing their beliefs on others. they do not cut off peoples heads and force them to convert.

    Why is it that those who teach tolerence are most intolerent of Christians? Why do those who try to think they love everyone and allow everyone to have whatever life-style they want, seem to think it’s OK to bash the Christian life-style?

  • Darebrit

    It has been my experience in most of my 70 plus years to beware those who address themselves as “Christians”. I never knew one who did not turn out to be a liar and charlatan.

    I was taught many years ago that Christians can only be recognized by their deeds and not by their words. And I have met a great many, from businesspeople to doctors and politicians and the worst of all Evangelical Christians, the true descendants of the money changers in the temple.

    Sadly the world in that respect has not changed. Liars, Charlatans and Political wannabees who call themselves Christians, are NOT and should be shunned by any person seeking religeouse or political truth.

    When addressed by anyone who introduces themselves to you as a Christian. Clamp your hand firmly on your wallet, look for the nearest exit, and RUN!!!

    As for bashing the Christian lifestyle, History reveals that Christians have done most of the bashing.

  • Jen

    What a sad commentary. I don’t disagree with what said. Many, many who call themselves “Christian” have given others a bad name. But that doesn’t make the message wrong. It only means Satan is alive and well and people are weak. I’m sorry you haven’t gotten to know any of the truly kind, decent, and loving Christians that DO exist, and sorry you don’t know the loving God who loves you.

  • Darebrit

    You poor pathetic child . Do you not hear the rhetoric from th stadium filling preachers who only allow their family members to preach THEIR version of Christianity? Do you not understand that those so-called Christians who say that God advises only them on Political choices are the only TRUE Christian?

    I have raised three children and am assisting in the raising of 7 grandchildren. I have always believed that TRUE Christians are just GOOD citizens. Which is all that your GOD has asked of you. Those of you who believe the rhetoric of the television money grabbing evangelists have been successfuly BRAINWASHED!

    Big Brother would be proud.

    The truth is easily defined. Lies need constant reinforcement. I do NOT despise or oppose the ideal of Christianity! I merley observe that those who CALL themselves Cristians, seldom are.

    The kind and loving Christians you speake of are rare and hard to find and need no label!

  • EvilPoet

    Jen – My lack of believe does not explain your willingness to vote for a liar and also claim to be a Christian. If you practiced what you preached you couldn’t do it.

  • Satan is alive and well? Really, Jen? What a convenient cop out for people doing destructive things. Just say it’s Satan.

    If Satan is alive and well, then what’s his cell phone number? What’s his zip code?

  • Dave

    “All men are liars.”

    You don’t have to be a Christian or an unbeliever. If you say you do not lie, you’re a liar.

    What God has asked us to do is to be truthful. It is then up to the indiviual to obey or not to obey.

    The problem with Christianity today is that it has become a religion. Man made rules and regulations have replaced many of the truths that God revealed to us over the centuries. It very easy to find fault in the lives of Christians and well as pepple who don’t believe in God. Most due to ignorance of what God has revealed to us and has asked us to believe. ( WOW! Now I can get it from both sides!)

    I have known many loving and caring Christians, and I have known many who were not. I have also known many loving and kind people who don’t believe in God, and many who were not.

    It’s an individual choice. Each man is responsible for his own actions. I believe in God and his son. If you don’t, that’s okay. It’s your choice.

    But one thing is for certain, you can’t use the actions of others for your choice. You can’t blame others. Everyone will give an account of themselves. Some will not be surprised at thier judgement. Others will be, because they thought they were living life according to God.

    My goal is not to surprised. I hope I can achieve that goal.

  • Anonymous

    Ditto Dave! Let’s all be open-minded when the debates come around. Right-wingers, don’t discount Obama and Biden simply because they are pro-choice and may not have many of your religious ideals. Left-wingers, don’t shut your ears to what McCain and Palin have to say because Palin is pro-life.Ultimately, the president cant pass legislation alone. The checks and balances is part of what makes our style of government one of the best. I personally think it’s rather dynamic and healthy that McCain and Palin disagree on things like pro-life. Not sure if Biden and Obama disagree on anything. By the way, everyone is talking about how Sarah Palin has had no press conferences in the 9 days since the convention. It’s been much longer than that since the Democrats had their convention, and I haven’t heard a thing from Joe Biden. I think he was on Good morning America and the Today show once, but those aren’t press conferences, either.

  • Jim

    Anonymous, Biden’s been all over the airwaves, and McCain and Palin are BOTH pro-life. Get your facts straight. There are well over a dozen substantive reasons a liberal like me has trouble with both John McCain and Sarah Palin.

  • Dave

    Jim,

    Thanks for the information. I believe it’s McCain’s wife that disagrees with Pro-Life. I could be wrong. Either way, none of the candidates is going to overturn Roe vs. Wade. To spend time worrying about it is fruitless.

    As a Moderate Conservative,( or was it Conservative Liberal?) there are over a dozen reasons I have with both candidates to not vote for them. (well, maybe only six) but they are good ones, (I think)….yeah, maybe I’ll watch the debates, then make up my mind.

    By the way, it’s would have been better to state you opinion without the “Get your facts straight” comment. You don’t win anyone over by insulting them. Rather it tends to drive them further away.

  • Dave

    Oops, I forgot… EvilPoet (catchy name), what lies were you speaking about? I hadn’t heard about that yet, and would loved to be informed.

  • MasterOfSparks

    80% of Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction. The other 20% think Armageddon is the right direction. Talking snakes indeed. And as for Palin needing the support of Congress we don’t need another 4 years of infighting that prevents the hard work of getting this country turned around . No way. No how. No Palin.

  • EvilPoet

    Dave – What lies? Take your pick…

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml

    http://www.alternet.org/election08/97813/exposing_five_dangerous_lies_in_mccain%27s_big_speech/

    If I find a list of all the distortions and lies in one place I will post that. In the meantime, they are being compiled and reported by various websites like the ones I posted above.

  • Jim

    You are only nominally correct when you say that “none of the candidates is going to overturn Roe vs. Wade.”

    One of the candidates will become president, then appoint a Supreme Court justice who will, or will not, overturn Roe vs. Wade. John McCain has committed to appointing a Supreme Court justice to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and you can bet your boots Sarah Palin would do the same should the elderly McCain die.

    I gave up long ago trying to be a sweetie.

  • Jane

    Seen on TV last night, a T-shirt that reads

    JESUS WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER
    PONTIUS PILATE WAS A GOVERNOR

  • Dave

    Come on Jim, you’re sounding nicer already!

  • Red Zed

    Jane, that shirt sounds awesome.
    Jen, you should know that if someone (like me) is a non-Christian, then such a person will not be swayed by a) Biblical references (especially New Testament) or b) assertions about Satan. I have no doubt that there are ways of rephrasing your ideas so that non-Christians could better understand them without compromising the message, but c’mon. Give a little, will ya?

    A great example of the limitations of, let’s call it, “doctrinal” speech is this: “God is NOT OK with lying, and Christians shouldn’t be, either. For that matter, pretty much everyone knows it is wrong. But if Christians were perfect, they wouldn’t need Jesus, would they?” The first sentence doesn’t really add anything to the discussion, and the second one is meaningless to non-Christians. It masks the real assertion you seem to be making: either we are perfect or we are not, and either way immune to criticism. It’s easy to take shelter in “nobody’s perfect”, but it accomplishes nothing other than shutting down debate and maintaining the illusion that one’s own ideas are not worthy of consideration.

    By the way, can someone explain to me how a Christian church can embrace Farrakhan-style Islam? I get how a Christian church could embrace Farrakhan-style *racism*, but, being Christian, how could they possibly be taking on the values and ideas of a different religion entirely? Obama is not a Muslim, people! He is a Christian! The United Church of Christ (his denomination) has a congregation in my hometown, and I assure you, they worship YHWH/Christ, not Allah! Seriously, I know people who *still* think Obama is Muslim. Blargh.

    Dave – Soren Kierkegaard, the Danish philosopher, would totally agree with you about “underdog” Christianity vs. status-quo Christianity. Good call.

  • Dave

    Soren Kierkegaard is a philosopher!?!? I thought he won gold in Alberta in the Giant Slalom!

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