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Palinism of the Day: I Wouldn't Presume to Know God's Will, And Here's What It Is, Charlie

Sarah Palin: Never presume to know what God’s will is. And I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words….

Charles Gibson: I take your point about Lincoln’s words, but you went on and said, “there is a plan, and it is God’s plan.”

Sarah Palin: I believe that there is a plan for this world, and that plan for this world is for good. I believe there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie. And I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That in my world view is a grand, the grand plan.

Sarah Palin to Charles Gibson, September 11 2008.

Who me, speak for God? He told me to tell you that I’d never do that, Charlie.

27 comments to Palinism of the Day: I Wouldn't Presume to Know God's Will, And Here's What It Is, Charlie

  • Jon

    Jim, if you know anything about American History than you would realize that Palin was referring the Declaration of Independence, “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happieness.”

  • Jim

    Sarah Palin was responding directly and immediately to Charles Gibson’s statement that “there is a plan, and it is God’s plan,” affirming that “there is a plan for this world.”

    Sarah Palin just told the world that there is a “God-given” plan for this world, and that she knows what it is.

  • Jon

    She said, “I believe there is a plan for this world.” The word “believe” here is her opinion and she is leaving room for others such as yourself to disagree. when she talks specifically about Gods will she refers directly to the Declaration of Independence.

  • Jim

    She’s still telling us she thinks she knows God’s will, just as she previously expressed God’s will in regard to wars and natural gas pipelines. You have the right to think that’s a good thing, but I don’t. I think it betrays either an arrogant supposition or a willingness to pretend rather than use real reasons.

  • EvilPoet

    Berra’s Observation: It’s like déjà vu all over again.

    “In seeking to repair his party’s “Values-Deficit” problem, John Kerry spoke about his own faith and the moral influences of his parents, even doing a little rhetorical grave-robbing by quoting the Republican patron saint: “I don’t want to claim that God is on our side. As Abraham Lincoln told us, I want to pray humbly that we are on God’s side.”” -CNN, 08-02-04 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/02/shields/index.html

  • Jim

    Yep, it was bullshit then too.

  • Jon

    So, Jim are you saying the Declaration of Independence is all bullshit.

  • EvilPoet

    /sarcasm_on/Gov. Sarah Palin has nothing but the best intentions! Having the interview start on 9-11 is not playing politics. Nope, nope, nope … not at all! /sarcasm_off/

  • Jon

    Obama and McCain had an interview today as well.

  • EvilPoet

    What prevented the series of interviews from starting on 9-12?

    Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama and John McCain laid flowers at the spot where the World Trade Center towers once stood, in an unprecedented joint appearance to commemorate the seventh anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

    With no speeches and little fanfare, the two candidates shook hands and put their presidential ambitions on hold as they chatted and walked together down a ramp into the pit where the towers fell in the Sept. 11 attacks. They spoke with family members of victims and observed a moment of silence after placing roses in a reflecting pool.

    In the seven years since the terrorist strike that killed almost 3,000 people in New York, at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, Sept. 11 has been a tool and a trap for U.S. politicians. Yet the day itself has remained sacred.

    “Both parties have used it for their own political benefits, but it is risky.” said Trent Duffy, a former aide to President George W. Bush and a partner at the Washington communications firm HDMK. The candidates “realize that the best statesmanship, and hence the best political move, is to not play politics on 9/11.”

    Keeping up the nonpartisan spirit of the commemoration, McCain and Obama later will make back-to-back appearances at a televised forum on civic engagement sponsored by Columbia University. The subject is one of the few on which the candidates generally agree.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLh0gNFrU9W4&refer=home

  • EvilPoet

    Jon – that “quote” by Lincoln is regarding the United States Constitution not the Declaration Of Independence. I’m trying to find the source – I suspect it’s a distortion of what Lincoln really said/meant. Anything I find I will post.

  • Jon

    The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
    ________________________________________
    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

  • Jon

    This isn’t the entire declaration, but I’m sure you get the point, and if not look at the beginning of the second paragraph. I didn’t think I would have to give History lessons on this highly educated website.

  • Jim

    Yeah, right Jon. When I characterize John Kerry’s remarks as Bullshit, I am clearly disparaging the entire Declaration of Independence.

    The Declaration of Independence is not the legal foundation of this country. The Constitution is, and it does not mention God once, but only restricts religious tests for office.

    You may be comfortable with Sarah Palin saying she knows what God’s will is. I’m not, and you and I will have to agree to disagree. I think it is worth pointing out that a candidate for the Vice Presidency says she knows the world plan of the Divine.

  • EvilPoet

    I found a source: “Abe” Lincoln’s Yarns and Stories By Alexander Kelly McClure (c)1901 http://books.google.com/books?id=-2MDAAAAYAAJ&output=html

    “ON THE LORD’S SIDE”

    President Lincoln made a significant remark to a clergyman in the early
    days of the War.

    “Let us have faith, Mr. President,” said the minister, “that the Lord is
    on our side in this great struggle.”

    Mr. Lincoln quietly answered : “I am not at all concerned about that, for I know that the Lord is always on the

    side of the right; but it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation may be on the Lord’s side.”

    pg.402

    Nixon also used the quote…

    “A hundred years ago, Abraham Lincoln was asked, during the dark days of the tragic war between the States, whether he thought God was on his side. His answer was, “My concern is not whether God is on our side, but whether we are on God’s side.” And my fellow Americans, may that ever be our prayer for our country, and in that spirit, with faith in America, with faith in her ideals and in her people, I accept your nomination for President of the United States.” -Richard M. Nixon, 1960 Republican National Convention Acceptance Address http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/richardnixon1960rnc.htm

    And this…

    “Of our famous politicians, perhaps only Abraham Lincoln managed to take the religious ideas of Roger Williams and turn them into a vision that countenanced strong political leadership that was deeply moral and religiously informed without linking America’s national destiny to the platforms of tinhorn politicians who presumed to act for God. Lincoln had no use for organized religion and ministers who claimed to know what God wanted them to do. During the bloodbath that was America’s Civil War, Lincoln puzzled over the fact that both sides prayed to the same God, read the same Bible, and claimed to do His will. Lincoln suspected that if God wanted anything, it was that leaders who were entrusted to manage a fragile, precious experiment in democratic government remember that what is most assured about humankind is its collective and individual moral imperfection. Roger Williams would have added that although human beings in their moral capacity must sometimes take sides against what is the greater evil, God does not act in “worldly policy” as anyone’s commander in chief.” (Source: The Godless Constitution Ch. 3 pg. 65)

  • Part of the plan of God that the Assemblies of God believes in is to burn non-Christians and gays in an eternal fire of torment that will never end and from which they can never escape, even if they repent. More on that a bit later today.

  • Anonymous

    Poor Losing Democrats all your flailing will not help Obama win and your gaffer Biden is helping to take him down asking a man in a wheelchair to stand up what and idiot you deserve this for all your derangement against president Bush.

  • Jon

    Evil, Lincoln is a distraction tactic, read her statement she was referring to the Declaration. Jim, If the Declaration is unimportant why was is necessary, and you should have the same feeling against Jefferson as you do against Palin, sence they say the same thing.

  • Jon

    In the US we have 3 different branches of government who fulfill diferent duties. The First Amendment says Congress (very specific) shall make no law respecting an establishment (something that is established as a business, institution, organization, or undertaking) of religion. Not that the vice president shall make assumptions on Gods will.

  • prescott

    Jclifford, where did you get your information (#16)? Throughout 18 years of going to Assembly of God churches(7 total), I NEVER once heard anyone in my church make a hateful statement saying it is our “PLAN” to burn all non-Christians and gays in an eternal fire of torment. Actually, it was 100% the opposite…we were taught to love the sinner and hate the sin which should be the basis for anyone that calls themself a Christian… I myself at 18 years of age had one of my best friends tell me he was gay and due to the misinterpretations of many people like you, he thought I would turn my back on him. To the contrary, because of my faith and belief in God, I was able to tell him there was nothing he could do to make me not love him as my friend, it’s just the sin I didn’t approve of. He knew I didn’t support that lifestyle therefore it comes down to respecting people for their beliefs…and he did. 20+ years later, we are still friends!

    What you speak of is fabricated interpretations that destroy the very meaning of what a Christian is or should be, based on the Bible.

    Regarding God’s “Plan”, the Bible say’s:
    (16)”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    John 3:16 (New International Version) **The choice to have eternal life with God is ours based on his written words.
    **The choice to have eternal hell is our choice as well:
    Revelation 20:15 says: “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
    Revelation 21:8 says: “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    With the Democratic party being such advocates for “choice”, I would think the terms given by God should be pleasing to your ears.

  • Blah, blah, blah. Prescott, if you would bother to read the article I wrote just a few hours ago, and click through the link at the bottom, then you could see what my sources are, and you’d see that they’re from the Assemblies of God itself – its official position papers defining its churches’ doctrine.

    But, of course, I already told you that earlier today, and you just responded by saying that gosh, you’d have to look at that later.

    Here’s the link, everyone. Go to the article and follow the links from there:

    http://www.irregulartimes.com/palinlakeoffire.html

    These are not fabricated interpretations. They’re what the Assemblies of God says about itself.

  • Jon

    You know i think that AOG church shouldn’t be allowed to believe in nothing. Oh, no that would be forcing them to be religious athiest. If God doesn’t exsist y’all sure focus all your attion on him, and his blid followers. These Christians believe a lie anyway so why bother, you know what I think that deep down you do believe in God, because if there is no God than who would be angry at science.

  • Jon

    I’ved noticed someone took off posted items of the different topics, !!!way to go free speach!!!.

  • prescott

    Jon, I believe there’s a strong possibility either Jim or J.Clifford have control of this site…! I don’t know what angers them so much about Christianity…believing in heaven and hell or is it they are so unhappy in life they can’t fathom there really is a Great God that wants to give them an eternal life truly worth living?

    I am convinced if Sarah Palin was not such a strong believer in her faith, was willing to compromise her morals and spiritual convictions, however still had all the strengths that she has as a great leader, they and many others would be promoting Sarah Palin!! I really believe it’s her strong faith in God that has so many non-believers in an uproar but I wish to warn them… God can be an angry God when one of His own is mocked in His Name. (2nd Chronicles 36:16 “But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.”

    For J.Clifford, you said: “But, of course, I already told you that earlier today, and you just responded by saying that gosh, you’d have to look at that later.”…

    Wasn’t me my dear! But what I did out of respect for your recommendation was go to the link you provided and read what you were talking about. I then went to the AOG site where you pulled the information about “Part of the plan of God that the Assemblies of God believes in is to burn non-Christians…….” Again, information taken completely out of context. What it says is:

    ” WE BELIEVE…A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire. Interpretation was not factual however just an interpretation.
    Supporting Verses:
    Matthew 25:46
    Mark 9:43-48
    Revelation 19:20
    Revelation 20:11-15
    Revelation 21:8

    *If you do not have a Bible, there is a website that offers a free online Bible that can pull any verse you need: BibleGateway.com

    Jclifford… Please do not misunderstand this information, if you read Revelation 21 you will see God wants us to “overcome” so we will “inherit” all He has to offer.
    “He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Many of us have been referring to “sources” on this blog however the best source to live your life by is the Word of God. To hear a brief summary of what heaven and hell have to offer, I hope you will do what I request and go to the link I’ve provided below…just as I did for your request.

    http://sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=8084

    I hope you are willing to go to the site above as I did for you. It’s a powerful audio that would be beneficial for you to hear so you understand what the Bible really is saying…do not wait till it’s too late…

    Exodus 23:1 says: “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.”

    **This is why I prefer for you to read directly from my source. I challenge you to go to BibleGateway.com and look up the scriptures yourself. God is not asking for you to give up your life however to receive a new life in Him… at no cost….He paid the price.

  • Jim

    Boy, Prescott, nothing gets by you. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we post articles here!

    I have no problem with Christianity. You want to be a Christian, you go right ahead and do it. Just don’t turn this country into a theocracy. I have a problem with the rising tide of Christian bigots who try to use their positions of power to shove their religion down other people’s throats.

    Finally, don’t assume we haven’t read the Bible. It’s a wildly incorrect assumption.

  • Jim

    Jon, your use of cut and paste is astounding. What skill! Were you born with a Control-V key on your elbow?

    We removed spam that slipped through our filters. It was spam. Repetitive spam. Kind of like the repetition that you’re using here, to really annoying effect. Would you like us to post the 500 penile enhancement spams we receive every day? Didn’t think so. So shut your trap and stop cutting and pasting your little “free speach!” whine all over this site that is not free, but paid good money for.

  • prescott

    Jim, I would never “assume” that any of you haven’t read the Bible! We all know what “assuming” does….! Even Satan goes to church ( From an ex-satanist: “We were taught a basic eight-point plan of attack that could be adapted to whatever denomination of the church we were sent to. The fact that most high ranking satanists regularly attend Christian churches should not be a surprise to anyone. Paul warned the Ephesians “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock….to feed the church of God. For I know this, grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock. ALSO OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM”. Acts 20: 25-31)…. so why would I ever be dumb enough to think you haven’t read the Bible???

    I would not try to “shove religion down people’s throats” nor do I think our government should be allowed to do so and to guarantee that the Constitution states that “Congress can not “prohibit the free exercise” of religious practices”. Thank God!!! I can’t imagine what our religion would be had we not had this constitutional right to depend on.

    I am merely responding to the repulsive statements that denigrate my faith and belief in God. Again, God does not force the acceptance of Him on ANYONE. He clearly says that we will all be held accountable and judged. You do with that what you want. I am not willing to take that chance.

    Have a great day!!!

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