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Why The Palin Witch Issue Matters: Brutal Violence

We could easily think of the connection of Sarah Palin to Thomas Muthee, a man who hunts people he accuses of witchcraft, as just a story of harmless eccentricity, a humorous anecdote to giggle about.

Only, it’s much more than that. It’s part of a larger story, a gruesome story in which accused witches have their hands hacked off or are burned alive. It’s a story in which children are accused of witchcraft by the tens of thousands.

Please, read more…

17 comments to Why The Palin Witch Issue Matters: Brutal Violence

  • Tom

    If you ever wondered why the most hated President in History was re-elected? Look in the mirror. No one wants to be associated with someone that spews out so much trash. Grow up, let us have a chance this time.

  • Pardon, Tom, but did you look at the actual substance? Did you look at the videos of children who have been brutally attacked at the instigation of churches like Muthee’s? Did you bother?

    Please, if you think it’s trash to talk about the subject of children who are being tortured, I’d like you to explain.

  • Vox

    So it’s “trash” to talk about the human rights of people who have been killed and tortured because of someone else’s irrational superstition?

    Not to mention: Let us have a chance this time? WHAT are you talking about? The Republicans have been in the White House for the past 8 years. How much more time do you need?

    Next time you post, sober up first.

  • Tom

    You’re right, after seeing the video again, I saw Sarah Palin in the background swinging a machete.

    So this is the type of stuff you want to use to convince the independant swing voter, who will determine the next election, that Sarah Palin is supportive of burning withches. Hey, guilt by association, right? I mean she had to have something to do with it, only a moron couldn’t see it.

    I’ll say it once again, throwing this type of trash out there will cost you an election.

    Now move out of your parents house or your dorm room and find out what’s important to most Americans.

  • HareTrinity

    Because “patriot, pah, he may have won medals but he didn’t keep them” is the type of mud slinging that lost the Republicans the last election?

  • Tom, I live in my own house. I also have three children, and I do not want to subject them to a Vice President who supports this kind of radical agenda. Sarah Palin watched exactly what Thomas Muthee was talking about, and she went up and prayed with him that it would be accomplished.

    The Transformations video, with the information about Thomas Muthee’s witch hunting activities, was distributed with enthusiasm in the church. Sarah Palin has now been seen in two separate videos referring to the importance of him in her life.

    Yes, there needs to be accountability, and no, talking about how Sarah Palin is hanging around with a spiritual mentor who prays to protect her from witchcraft, and then goes and participates in a broad anti-witch campaign that threatens to stone one woman to death, and encourages others to engage in other acts of physical violence, is not trash.

    What’s important to most Americans is not my concern. I’m not a pollster. I write about what’s important to me. The welfare of children is of interest to me, Tom.

    Go look at the comments on the Thomas Muthee video, and you’ll see a lot of people like me who think that this story is important too. I suppose they’re all out of touch with America too, though.

  • Ardiana

    I find this sad and repulsive to actually think Women and children are being tortured and slaughtered in the name of religion. Why do people fear witches what have they personally done to you? They have a Sripture that unites them and that is “As long as ye harm no one do ass ye will.” Sounds like what Jesus had taught Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. wouldnt you agree?

    Christian beliefs are not the only beleifs in this world.

    Tom… have you taken your medication today?

    I tell you I think its sad This country was founded upon Freedom of Religion
    Why will we have to believe what you people believe?
    I believe in God It may not be your god but I believe in GOD.

  • Ardiana

    I find this sad and repulsive to actually think Women and children are being tortured and slaughtered in the name of religion. Why do people fear witches what have they personally done to you? They have a Sripture that unites them and that is “As long as ye harm no one do as ye will.” Sounds like what Jesus had taught Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. wouldnt you agree?

    Christian beliefs are not the only beleifs in this world.

    Tom… have you taken your medication today?

    I tell you I think its sad. This country was founded upon Freedom of Religion
    Why will we have to believe what you people believe?
    I believe in God It may not be your god but I believe in GOD.

  • Anonymous

    Tom doesn’t have any medications, he can’t afford them with our current health care “system”. But don’t forget to vote McBush ’08

  • Tom

    I think you have missed the point.

    People getting hacked and burned is terrible. But what you are trying to convince of is that it was apporoved by Sarah Palin?

    If you are, you had better present more proof than you have presented here.

    By the way, I don’t go to a Church, and I’m not a Republican. I just get sick and tired of exaggerations. “My opponent voted to let rapists go free.” Come on. Stop the insanity.

  • Tom

    P.S

    Let’s do it for the Children.

  • Ardiana

    I am not for McCAIN Sell out our country and our people’s welsfare for own personal desires. Nor am I for Obama for other reasons. I agree it is insainity. Piss poor choices of mominees if you ask me.

  • Tom,

    We need to examine every scrap of information we can get to judge Sarah Palin’s true agenda and character. Why? Because the McCain campaign brought her out of next to nowhere with just a couple of months to go until Election Day. Because the McCain campaign is shutting out reporters from unscripted contact with her.

    If McCain gets elected, then it is likely that Sarah Palin will become President. We need to know everything we can about her.

    The witchcraft issue is very important because:

    1. It’s very unlikely that Sarah Palin didn’t know about Thomas Muthee’s involvement of the persecution of accused witchcraft. After all, Sarah Palin was a prominent, and very involved member of her church. The church sought out Muthee after finding out about the mob violence against the accused witch in Kiambu – and the information about that was distributed within the church enthusiastically by Pastor Ed Kalnins. Sarah Palin’s church funded Muthee’s churches with knowledge of his anti-witch crusades.
    2. Thomas Muthee gave a very enthusiastic, and very illegal political speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God church, endorsing the candidacy of Palin for Governor, and urging all watching to vote for Palin and give her campaign lots of money. This speech-sermon referenced witchcraft several times, including crazy statements that America needs to get witchcraft out of its public schools, and a blessing to protect Sarah Palin’s 2006 campaign for Governor from “all forms of witchcraft”. Sarah Palin not only accepted the blessing, she stood there praying for it right along with Muthee. You can see her lips moving even with Muthee’s loud, microphoned voice blasting over hers.
    3. In 2008, just a few weeks ago, Sarah Palin celebrated Thomas Muthee again, suggesting that his blessing enabled her to become Governor.
    4. You don’t seem to be able to get past the witch giggle factor, but violence against people accused of witchcraft is a very serious foreign policy issue. The number of children in Africa abandoned, tortured and killed because of Christian churches, like Muthee’s, that preach virulently against supposed witchcraft, is estimated by some sources to number in the tens of thousands. As I said, the problem isn’t just one in Africa – it exists in Asia as well, and even in Europe, with some recent child witch abuse scandals right in London. American missionary support to the churches that encourage this terrible violence makes the problem worse. Thomas Muthee’s prominent activities whipping up violent crowds to threaten people with accusatios of witchcraft make it worse. Sarah Palin’s church made it worse, and Sarah Palin celebrated the man.
    5. If you actually read the article I wrote, and didn’t just skim it, you’ll see the domestic issues that I referenced as well. It’s a matter of a profound lack of critical thinking and gullibility to continue to push the issue of witchcraft. It goes back to a culture of religious-based violence starting in colonial times including the Salem witch trials. It comes up through current times with the satanic sex abuse hoaxes and anti-Halloween campaigns to get children away from the supposedly “satanic” holiday and into churches instead.
    6. If Sarah Palin truly doesn’t know about these things, and her church’s involvement in them, it would only be because she has purposefully kept herself ignorant. No person who is asking to become President of the United States should be so ignorant.
    7. If Sarah Palin doesn’t support Thomas Muthee, then let her say so! All she has to do is come out and say that she doesn’t support anti-witch crusades, and doesn’t believe that witchcraft is a serious threat, and that when she prayed to be protected from witchcraft, she was just trying not to offend Muthee, or some other ridiculous excuse. Sarah Palin won’t do that because:
    a. Her job as part of the McCain campaign is to keep the religious fanatics of the extreme right happy; and
    b. Palin isn’t supposed to deviate from a very narrow script that has been written for her by the John McCain campaign; and
    c. Maybe because she does believe in this crazy witchcraft stuff

    Now, maybe you say she doesn’t believe in it, Tom, but even if you’re right, her function in the campaign is to act as if she does believe in it, and that in itself is a big problem.

    You cannot separate this stuff from what Sarah Palin said in her speech right before praising Muthee. She promised her church that she would do what she could in government to make God’s will be done – God’s will as her church defines it. Sarah Palin said she believed in the prophecies of her church, which include a violent end times Armageddon in which nonbelievers are attacked by Jesus with extreme cruelty. And then there’s what Muthee said in endorsing Sarah Palin – Muthee suggested that church members vote for her because of the need to “infiltrate”, “invade” and “penetrate” the government, to push the church’s idea of religion into government, and through government, into every facet of our society.

    This is not exaggeration for me to say this. This is what Muthee said about Sarah Palin’s political career, and Sarah Palin was right there, and she prayed for the accomplishment of the vision that Muthee described, on video.

    Sarah Palin’s government record and public comments show the strong habit of thinking about public policy in terms of how it fits with the Wasilla Assembly of God’s beliefs about God’s plan for the world. That includes energy policy, environmental policy, health care policy, educational policy, civil rights and foreign policy.

    Come on, Tom. This is not trash. This is a serious issue, and if you’re going to call it trash and expect me to still respect your political opinions, I expect you to address the points that I’ve brought up.

  • Brian

    I’ll still respect Tom’s views, even if he calls this trash. Sarah Palin does support this guy, though. This isn’t the evidence, the evidence is the video of him blessing her and exhorting her church to vote for her because their movement needs to take over politics and government as two of seven areas that must be “infiltrated” (his word).

    Most important to my mind, though, is that she has been embraced as a candidate by many christians because they believe she is one of _them_. It isn’t because of her policies, but her shared identity. If they realized her church is out to convert their children to a set of very radical beliefs, they might feel differently.

    I’m an independent against McCain because I think he’d wreck the government even worse than it is already. I want Sarah Palin to acknowledge her religious affiliations because she has essentially confined anyone who will not convert to her beliefs to hell. I don’t want her to win on identity issues which are false and then have to deal with the policy consequences. As J. points out, she was a complete unknown with only one policy issue. People should be skeptical about her.

  • Tom

    Brian,
    That is a great response. Respectful and pointed.Thank you.

    J.Clifford, thank you for the information. It is true that thousands of children have been killed or abandoned because they were believed to be wicthes. Only a small amount however are the result of the influence of Christian Churches. The vast majority are the result of cultural beliefs. It is the broadstoking of blame that turns me off.

    One thing to realize is that witchcraft does exist. Do an internet search and it will reveal thousands of websites from self proclaimed wicthes.I am not judging these people for what they pratice, I’m just noting what they do.

    Christians are warned about wicthcraft in the Bible and it is something that is not to be tolerated in what they would desire in a Godly Society. Again I am not judging them. I’m just noting what they believe.

    You will not win people over by attacking what they believe. You will stregthen there beliefs.

    Obama himself claims to be a Christian. He is not as vocal as Palin, but do we paint him into the same corner for his beliefs?

    I don’t know the heart of Palin, McCain, or Obama. I can only vote on what is important to my life.

    I want to feed my kids and make a mortgage payment. I want to stop violence. I want kids to stop getting pregnant. I want my kids to get a good education. I want race never to be a factor in judging a person. Yes I know….I want..I want…I want.

    I don’t care if Obama’s minister and mentor wants God to damn the US, and I don’t care if Palin’s Church invited some wicthhunter to a sunday service. I want to know how they are going to insure a future for my children.

  • Scott

    Tom, you’re onviously confusing Wicca with the absurd beliefs of ‘witchcraft’ purported to be practiced by various ‘enemies’ in all sorts of cultures.

    Wiccans don’t put curses on people. They don’t make men impotent and women spontaneously abort. They don’t cause people to break out in boils or develop diseases. They don’t make their neighbors’ animals sicken or their crops fail. They don’t inflict bad luck on others. They don’t read minds or hypnotize others into following them. They don’t seduce children (or adults) into committing evil acts. They don’t even try to do those things.

    Oh, yes: they do not worship Satan. They don’t even believe in Satan.

    Neither, of course, do these women and children in this article indulge in such evil acts – but those the sorts of things that ‘witches’ are typically accused of doing.

    Christians, Tom, are a diverse group. I don’t see the article as anti-Christian. Why would anyone mount a campaign against a (vice-)presidential candidate just for being a Christian? (Do you know how many Christian presidents we’ve had?) Yes, Obama is also a Christian – as are Biden and McCain.

    This is not about Christianity as a whole; it is only about a fringe group of radicals that subscribe to a fairly recent doctrine that includes, prominently, an End Times/Apocolyptic belief, and believe that such an end is approaching.

    Unfortunately, that makes it okay to destroy the environment – because, hey, no one’s going to be here that far into the future. Palin has said that she believes that Jesus will return in her lifetime – so that’s within roughly 30-40 years.

    As bad as destroying the environment, it is okay to spread war across the Middle East – in fact, it is necessary that there be a great war in the entire Middle East, because that will presage the return of Jesus. Who do you think are the most vocal supporters of war with Iran?

    You want to know who’s committed to making a better future for you and your children, Tom? I am not an Obama fan; I don’t like many of his policies and I’d like to see us heading in a different direction in the future. But Palin doesn’t even believe there is a future beyond the next few decades. She can’t be dedicated to what she doesn’t believe will exist. The only dedication she has in mind in regard to your children is either to lure them into her weird church or damn them to hell – after they fight the last war, of course.

    If that’s what you want for yourself and your children, Tom, then Palin’s the one for you. But I don’t get the sense that you’re crazy, just uninformed as to both Wicca and End Times/Apocolyptic eschatology.

    So google End Times, Left Behind, and the Rapture. A little reading on those topics might not make you a Obama-supporter, but it ought to make you very afraid at the thought of Palin in the White House.

    Finally, I am not trying to be mean-spirited, but if you want to keep kids from getting pregnant, you ought to have ample proof that Palin’s ‘abstinence-only’ education doesn’t work. If you believe her family is an aberration, try researching the out-of-wedlock birth-rate among the religious right: the Mormons, the Southern Baptists, etc., as well as the fringe groups. (They are part of a long tradition. Did you know that the out-of-wedlock birth-rate among the Puritans was about 30%?)

  • Lauren

    Tom said,

    “One thing to realize is that witchcraft does exist… I am not judging these people for what they pratice, I’m just noting what they do.”

    Actually you are NOT noting what they do. You seem to be denying it.

    “Christians are warned about wicthcraft in the Bible and it is something that is not to be tolerated in what they would desire in a Godly Society. Again I am not judging them. I’m just noting what they believe.”

    Right and I argue it is important for us to be aware of their deadly prejudice against us. They even have a bible verse, Exodus 22:18 “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.”

    In the United States, we are constitutionally guaranteed our freedom of religion, they HAVE to suffer me to live. And equal treatment under the law, but when I went to test it’s practice I found that to be anything but. I found it more like ethnic cleansing.

    Why?

    Because of the religious beliefs of people like Sarah Palin and this pastor.

    “You will not win people over by attacking what they believe. You will stregthen there beliefs.”

    I don’t care if I ‘strengthen’ her beliefs, she is wrong already. I am trying to expose how wrong she is. This is MY ISSUE, I blog on AlterNet where I posted a link to this this story.

    Thank you and Blessed Be.

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