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Clean Coal Cleaned Out of Stimulus

Here’s a little bit of good news to brighten up this mid-February Saturday morning: The compromise stimulus bill agreed to by both houses of Congress no longer contains billions of dollars for so-called “clean coal” technology. The Senate version had contained a billion dollars for coal through the Department of Energy, plus another two billion dollars for particular coal-powered electrical generating facilities, but the conference committee working on the stimulus bill took this wasteful spending out.

It’s a good sign that at least some people in Congress understand that coal power is a relic of the past, not a solution to our nation’s present needs. Coal power isn’t sustainable – its benefits are short-lived, but the price we pay for it never goes away. There’s no such thing as clean coal, and funding the frauds who claim to be developing clean coal won’t stimulate the economy.

Conservation and renewable energy is what our nation needs – and these aren’t just projects to be funded by Congress. You can make decisions today to reduce your consumption and to begin the transfer to sustainable technologies in your personal life.

14 comments to Clean Coal Cleaned Out of Stimulus

  • Frank

    So by failing to develop clean coal technologies we give no leadership to China, India and rest of Asia , who are building hundreds of coal power plants and will continue to do so. If clean coal technologies do not exist please explain how SOx and Nox have declined despite significant increases in coal based generation. Your elitism would, and will, doom hundreds of millions to a bleak life without electricity.Talk about a limo liberal.

  • THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS AND THE INVESTMENT BANKS WANT A ONE WORLD GOVENMENT.

    TO ACHIEVE THIS THEY MUST DESTROY THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL.

    COAL IS THE LIFE BLOOD OF THIS COUNTRY.

    IT IS PLENTIFUL AND CHEAP.

    BUT THESE GUYS WANT IT OFF THE MAP.

    WHY.

    IN ORDER TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY THEY MUST STOP THE USE OF COAL.

    THAT WILL MAKE US USE NATURAL GAS WHICH COSTS TEN TIMES MORE THAN COAL

    ALSO TO TAKE COAL AWAY YOU DESTOY THE LIFE OF THE FOLKS IN COAL PRODUCING STATES.

    PRAY FOR AMERICAN.

    WE ARE IN THE FINAL MOMENTS.

    GOD HELP US.

    JOHN W. BUGLER

  • Tom

    Sorry John, but we’ve been on our way out because of coal, cars, mining, farming, logging, damming of rivers, etc. which only TAKE from the earth, while our pollution and run off have poisoned our fishbowl. Now, it’s far too late to try to ward off what’s coming – a mass die off due to irreversable chaotic climate, rising sea levels, aridity and flooding affecting food production, overfishing of the oceans (and our continual pollution of them), scarcitiy of potable water, more and hardier diseases affecting both humans, plants and animals we depend on for food, etc.

    Today’s headline on Yahoo’s homepage:
    • Climate change even worse than predicted, top expert says.

    We should (should have been since Einstein wrote FDR about the bomb, suggesting we) head for a one-world government, but it’s probably too late for that now also. Humanity is circling the drain, so try to enjoy your remaining years.

  • Tom

    Sorry John, the U.S. has destroyed itself (and the world has helped to destroy itself too) because of coal, cars, farming, damming of rivers, pollution, oil, etc. We’ve been taking from the Earth but not taking care of the Earth. Check out the headline today on Yahoo’s homepage:
    • Climate change even worse than predicted, top expert says.

    We’re on our way out as a species because of our unsustainable, ignorant, greedy, selfish, dirty, immoral way of life on the planet. We polluted the fishbowl we live in.

    The mass die-off will take a while, but we’re circling the drain. Enjoy your remaining years.

  • Frank, I have never ridden a limousine. Please stop this tacky attempt at argument through character assassination. Readers here are intelligent enough to see through it. It’s not elitist to respect the intelligence of our readers, and it’s not elitist to stand up against powerful industry lobbyists.

    Your argument for the development of clean coal depends upon the assumption that it exists. I might copy the argument from your first sentence as follows: “By failing to develop fairy-dust coal technologies we give no leadership to China, India and rest of Asia, who are building hundreds of coal power plants and will continue to do so…” See, if we don’t give government money to fairy-dust coal projects, then how will China, India and the rest of Asia ever do it? Why are you against fairy-dust energy, Frank?

    The distinctions you describe are between deadly filthy rotten coal and deadly filthy coal, and run far short of the goals described by proponents of this mythical “clean coal” themselves. I might as well say, “If there’s no such thing as a healthy cigarette, then explain to me how come there are Lo Tar cigarettes and Menthol cigarettes with a nice clean taste for sale?

  • THIS NEW ENERGY FIRE BOSS OF OBAMA TELLS US “WE ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH FOR ELECTRICITY”
    SO TO HELP US ALONG THE WAY HE WANTS TO KILL COAL.

    KILL COAL– YOU KILL AMERICA.

    THIS OBAMA MAN IS DOING EVERYTHING TO BRING THIS COUNTRY DOWN PROSTRATE ON THE GROUND.

    WE NEED STIMULOUS THRU TAX REDUCTION–THROUGH GETTING THE BANKS TO LOOSTEN UP ON CREDIT.
    THRU ELIMINATING THE COORPORATE TAX ENTIRELY. AND HELPING PEOPLE WITH THEIR MORGAGES.

    GET THE PORK OUT OF THE PACKAGE.
    GET THE EAR MARKS OUT OF THE PACKAGE.

    AND FOR GOD’S SAKE LEAVE OUR COAL ALONE.

    THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY GLOBAL WARMING FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS.

    GO TO JUNKSCIENCE.COM AND CHECK IT OUT.

    DO SOME READING FOR HEAVENS SAKE.

    AMERICA IS A GREAT COUNTRY.

    LETS GET AWAY FROM ABORTION.

    LETS GET AWAY FROM ADULTRY.

    LETS GET AWSY FROM DIVORCE.

    LETS GET ON WITH LOVE OF GOD, FAMILY AND AMERICA.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS THIS SPLENDID WEB SITE.

    THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.

    WITH EVERY GOOD WISH.

    YOURS SINCERLY IN CHRIST AND THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    JOHN W. BUGLER
    BUGLER.ORG

    ps i wish this site had a spell check.

    • New Energy Fire Boss? John, I wish YOU had a spell check. By the way, one of the primary rules is that you don’t use all capital letters.

      Coal is already dead, John. Dead and buried for millions of years.

  • Jon

    Tom and the Green man have really hit on something..It is human progress that is the cause of this whole mess we live in.
    It isn’t drugs, sexual immorality, destruction of the family unit through divorce, loss of our moral compass to the do what feels good culture, that are causing the problems we are facing.
    It’s that we live life in a technologically aspiring society. If only we had had the sense to live like the primitives did. We could have all the benefits of the stone age life, a drafty cave, mold ridden food, and in the event of a medical emergency, who doesn’t wish for that familiar witchdoctor with his folksy remedies for diseases.

    Just think how wonderful life would be if we all gave up those annoying and energy consuming routines with have all grown dependent on. Bathing, clean clothes, fresh water, and toilets and toilet paper. I mean leaves would do just as well.

    You two are a variation on a very old theme. The sky is falling…….The truth is that very same shtick (Yiddish: ????) has been around for centuries. At one time the Thames river was filled with human sewage, I dare say we have progressed beyond that. I don’t mean to imply that as a society we aren’t a grossly material lot, or that there aren’t ways to be better stewards of the environment. However, when the end does come, it won’t be from environmental devastation. It will be from the filth that comes from the human heart. Hatred, greed, loathing, murder in the name of your holy cause, whether it’s environmentalism, Nationalism, liberalism, communism, Socialism, women’s rights and abortions or Islam.

    Yours is the same thinking that outlawed DDT and condemned millions of children to death in mosquito ridden areas of the world. I am sure it was comforting to the mothers of those dying children to know that there was a bird somewhere benefiting from their Childs death.

    • Jim

      Yours, Jon, is an effort to reduce the world to a dichotomy. Try thinking about it non-dichotomously.

      • Jon

        Jim,

        I have found that very clever people can wrap up evil and present it as good.
        There is a dichotomy in this world, it is the nature of how we perceive, the absence of light is dark, the absence of truth is falsehood. Many of the the other constructs of division are artificial however and are a result of our separation from a natural state.

        I have a very non dogmatic persona on most things. However, there are a few things I will not compromise on.
        And one is that somehow we need to revert to some post stone age level of technology in order to create a sustainable future. The same zealots that were protesting Nuclear power in the 80 are now the alarmist of global warming. Manmade global warming. I sent you a copy of Eisenhower’s final speech, the one that every liberal I knew in the 70′s had memorized. What they didn’t remember was the second part of that speech. The one that pertains to today’s hysteria.

        On a personal note, to make lemonade you might think about writing a book on Civic Responsibility in the USA.

        • Jim

          Well, the internet is “post stone age.”

          Have you really never encountered twilight, or a claim that was somewhat true?

          There are real, undeniable problems with global warming, and there are real, undeniable problems with nuclear power. There are real, undeniable problems with the idea of using biofuels as a way to decrease greenhouse gas emissions.

          Interesting idea for a book.

          • Jon

            “There are real, undeniable problems with global warming, and there are real, undeniable problems with nuclear power. There are real, undeniable problems with the idea of using biofuels as a way to decrease greenhouse gas emissions.”

            Yes there are…although you may not have intended it the way I am inclined to take that.
            Let’s start with Nuclear power. I understand the concerns about spent fuel. However, I worked at several Power Plants, and after talking with Fuels engineers I know that there exists the technology to burn the fuel rods almost into lead. I also know that the China Syndrome was a red herring. The real concern was Chernobyl, but the Russians violated so many of there own protocols to create that disaster, and the reactor had a removable top so that Plutonium could be extracted while it was operational. Reactors here and in Europe are securely fastened down, with missile shields above them, and a containment dome that could withstand a direct hit.

            The point here I am attempting to make: is to make rational assessments, taking into account that most people desire a better standard of life. We can make cars that are better, we can heat our homes in a more sustainable manner, but let’s not move to the lowest common denominator and live like Indians did two hundred years ago.

            A claim that is somewhat true is what Satan uses to confuse people. That is if you believe in Satan. Love twilight though, espcially in the early Summer.

    • Jon, that’s a ridiculous response, because you take an idea to its ridiculous extreme… and because you’re putting words in other people’s mouths to do it.

      It is as reasonable as a man who, having heard his doctor tell him he needs to get more exercise, retorts, “Oh, I see! You’ve really hit on something doctor! So, now I’m supposed to go lift a thousand pounds, and take steroids, and join a professional sports team! So now, instead of taking the stairs, I’m supposed to climb up the outside of my building! Just think how wonderful my life would be if I would run 20 miles per hour all day long until I fell asleep at 10:00 at night! Oh, thanks for the advice, doctor! Yours is the same thinking that leads to torture in concentration camps. I am sure it is comforting to know that when I die from exhaustion, I won’t be as fat!”

      When you’re ready to be serious, and not engage in such outrageous hyperbole, I’ll be ready to discuss issues seriously with you, Jon. Have a nice coal sandwich for lunch, okay?

      • Jon

        So there is no future for coal power in your opinion? Even though we sit on some of the worlds largest coal reserves, it is a useless resource? That’s hyperbole, and just plain ignorant. What that says to me is that your’e just stuck in a mode you can’t think beyond.

        By the way, I live on ten acres, we have our own sheep, fruit trees, grape vines, chickens and a quarter acre in garden and a pond where we stock fish. I am putting in solar water heating this spring. Think that’s pretty sustainable?

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