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Early Gooey Animals Prick Creationism's Thin Skin

“It’s not yet proof…” – if only we would hear such phrases from Creationists. One more missing link may have been found in the fossil record – a pattern in 850 million year-old Canadian limestones that matches the patterns created by the decomposition of collagen in sponges growing on reefs. If these are the fossils of 850 million year-old sponges, they are the oldest-found fossils of any animal.

The age of the suspected fossils is significant, because molecular analysis of rates of genetic evolution suggest that the earliest multicellular animal would have come into existence at about 850 million years ago. These fossils could be the first evidence of that very early link between the worlds of microbes and megafauna…

… or they could be not any kind of fossils at all. Science has the courage to admit to this uncertainty. If only Creationists could acknowledge such doubts.

41 thoughts on “Early Gooey Animals Prick Creationism's Thin Skin”

  1. Jacob says:

    So what you want people to say is that we have faith in God but He might be wrong? How in the heck would that work?

    1. Rowan says:

      I don’t want to put words into people’s mouths. I’d like it if Creationists would grow into a capacity to perceive where doubt is appropriate.

  2. Jacob says:

    Is doubt appropriate or possible when the words have come directly from the creator of all things? This isnt a theory or a possible idea. This is verbatium from the inspired word of God. How can you doubt that?

    1. Rowan says:

      Jacob, that attitude is what I’m talking about. How can you not doubt it when someone hands you a book and says that the creator of the entire universe directly wrote the words?

      1. Jacob says:

        How can you so easily dismess it?

        It was written by 40 men (inspired by God) across 1500 years and on three continents. Most of these men could never have collaborated and yet there are no contradictions. It is scientifically correct hundreds and of years in advance. Its prophesys have proven true. Archelogy has proven its accuracy and origins. We have thousands of early manuscripts making it 1000 times more trustworthy then other very accepted manuscripts of other texts. This is just a couple of dozens of arguments that we can more in depth in if you wish. This book has also survived the most extreme persecutions imaginable and has never disappeared. The evidence is overwhlming that there is something special aout this book. Its up to you to decide what that is…

        1. Jacob says:

          When you find THE TRUTH the rest of it doesnt matter and you could care less how silly people think you are. If it wasnt for the eternal consiquenses I would go on my seperate merry way and live happily ever after. Unfortuanatly I know that people have never had the chance to reject or accept. I keep going because everyone deserves the chance to hear it once. Once they reject its on them…

        2. Damen says:

          and yet there are no contradictions.”


          Thou shalt not kill
          – Exodus 20:13

          Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
          side… and slay every man his brother…
          – Exodus 32:27

          Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
          of anything that is in heaven… earth… [or] water.
          – Leviticus 26:11

          And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
          thou make them.
          – Exodus 25:18

          For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works.
          – Ephesians 2:8-9

          Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
          faith only.
          – James 2:24

          Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
          – Deuteronomy 27:22

          And Abraham said… She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
          – Genesis 20:11,12

          Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
          – II Samuel 6:23

          The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
          – II Samuel 21:8

          It is scientifically correct hundreds and of years in advance.

          Rabbits chew their cud? Insects have four legs? Pi is exactly 3?

          1. Rowan says:

            Oh, Damen, you who deny truth! Can’t you see that the Bible is clearly stating that Michal had five sons on the day of her death? Death by quintuplets!

          2. Jacob says:

            Wow… I can cherry pick and take things out of context as well. Bravo…

        3. Rowan says:

          Like I said, before, Jacob, your credulity is proving the point. I wish that you had the same capacity for understanding what constitutes “overwhlming” evidence. Some willingness to express even a shred of doubt in extraordinary claims would make people like myself a lot more willing to listen.

          1. Jacob says:

            I’t doesnt really matter how willing you are to listen. You choose to reject Christ or accept Him. My only job is to speak the truth. Besides, if I doubted this you say you would be more willing to listen, but if this was not true there would be not point to listen. There would be no hope

          2. Rowan says:

            Jacob, you don’t seem to be understanding the point. You seem to have no questions in your mind that what you think is the truth is in fact the truth. No questions at all. That’s a problem. You seem to think that only people who have no doubt at all about what they say are worth listening to. I say that only people who are wise enough to have reasonable doubts are worth listening to.

  3. JKR says:

    “How can you doubt that?”

    …very carefully.

  4. Jacob says:

    So if I told you to believe in God but I wasnt for sure that he wasnt a liar youd be cool with that? Youd be more open to him as a possible liar?

    1. Rowan says:

      Jacob, you’re seemingly unable to separate the concept of God, this divine character you believe exists, with what is said about the character God. Whether the claims about the existence of this God character are honest and whether this God character would be honest if he actually did exist are two separate matters. You are showing an inability to express reasonable doubts in both areas of consideration.

      1. Jacob says:

        No, I show an inability to deny truth.

        1. Rowan says:

          Actually, you’re doing a remarkably good job at maintaining denial, Jacob.

  5. Jacob says:

    What proof do you need? Does God need to come to Earth and do a one man show for Rowans personall audience before you even begin to consider its truth. If thats what you are waiting on good luck. The creator of all things bows a knee to noone

    1. Jim says:

      You have a watertight approach.

      1. Declare that the Bible never contradicts itself
      2. When someone points out that it DOES, go on about how it’s “out of context”
      3. Backup: God could prove himself to you, any ol’ time, but he doesn’t want to.

      Nobody is ever going to change your mind, because you are willing to change your approach to the entire universe, multiple times each day if necessary, to keep that one unquestionable “fact” in your mind.

      1. Jacob says:

        We could spend months debating back and forth on an issue where we start at fundimentally opposite directions. The simple truth is we must all read the Bible for our self and then personally decide whether or not we believe It is God’s Word. There is NO magic bullet. Either you believe the Bible is God’s Word or you don’t! There are things we dont understand about Scripture, I cant wrap my mind around God’s

        Some “contradictions” God told us not to kill but never commanded no judgment. When you remove one sentance from the Bible for your own arguments you ignore the redemptive thrust of scripture. This action commanded by God in Exodus 32:27 was a direct judgement for the worship of false Gods (the golden calf). The punishment for sin is death. The Bible makes that very clear. The cherubims of gold which are set in the holy place of God mark the presense of the lord in the Holy of Holys. These are not to be worshipped and are not worshipped or there is instant death. These do no contradict the 10 commandments (which is not Leviticus 26:11, it is Exodus 20:4) which if you read to the end of that sentance you will see that it refers of bowing and worshipping them. As far as faith vs works we see that man is saved by faith alone and that faith is demenstrated by his works. This actually is a debate point in the church if you look at single lines and ignore redemptive history in Scripture. As far as Abraham and his sister this proves that you dont read the Bible but cherry pick. Abraham admits that he lied because he thought they would kill him because his wife was so beautiful. It is very clear that this is not his sister. Even if it was the law had not been handed out yet as well so it would still not work. And the 5 children, these are not from her womb but of Merab which she would have adopted. You can force contradictions if you ignore the rest of the book…

        1. Jim says:

          Herbie Fucking Lizard (sorry to take your name in vain, Herbie), but for someone who chastises others about reading the Bible you really haven’t read it very carefully yourself. God directly tells multiple people to go kill other people. God told his chosen people to kill in gory detail. It’s all over the Old Testament. Pay attention to what Damen writes — you could learn something in the process, because he obviously is more aware of the Bible than you on this point.

          1. Jacob says:

            I think I mentioned that talking about judgement…

          2. Jim says:

            It’s a Cosmic-Iguana-Fucking contradiction, Jacob.

            God tells people not to kill. Then he tells people to kill. That’s fits the dictionary definition of contradiction, Jacob. Have a moment of clarity, Jacob. Look beyond your groupthink brainwashing. It’s a contradiction.

          3. Jim says:

            Numbers 25, Jacob. How does Numbers 25 — with people killing other people and God saying “Hoorah! Good for You!” — match up with “Thou Shalt Not Kill” of Exodus 20?

    2. Rowan says:

      Well, given that you claim that God actually DID come to Earth and do a one man show to prove he existed, yes, I think that would be appropriate. If he did it once, he can do it again.

      Or, don’t you believe in Herbie, the Cosmic Iguana? Herbie the Cosmic Iguana, as documented in the special book, Chronicles of Herbie, created the entire universe, including you, and you will endure the unending licking of a pack of pug dogs after you die unless you worship Herbie. Herbie, the Cosmic Iguana bows a knee to no one!

      I’m just speaking the truth, Jacob. That’s my job. Why are you denying the truth? What proof do you need?!?

      1. Jacob says:

        Have you read the Bible?

        1. Rowan says:

          Have you read the Chronicles of Herbie?

          1. Jacob says:

            Where i it and I will. If thats what you want to talk about. Give me a link

      2. Jacob says:

        I fogot my biggest point, my bad… He did come to Earth and prove His love for us, you are right and he can and will do it again. the difference is you want God to operate on your terms not His. You are saying, I know what you say you did but it sure isnt good enough for me.

        1. Rowan says:

          No, what I’m saying is what I’d say to anyone trying to sell me anything. It isn’t enough for you to say that you’ve shown your credentials to someone else a long time ago. I want to see them before I even consider buying what you’ve got to sell. Yes, when someone tells me I need to obey their rules, I operate on my terms, not that person’s terms.

          Why don’t you operate on Herbie’s terms, and start a Herbie temple in your neighborhood to worship him, to save yourself the misery of eternal pug licking after death?

          1. Jacob says:

            All other theology aside can you disprove that God is real?

          2. Rowan says:

            Can you disprove that Herbie the Cosmic Iguana is real and having a sexual affair with your nextdoor neighbor?

          3. Jim says:

            Why, Jacob hasn’t disproved it, so it must be true!

          4. Jacob says:

            Wow… Its like debating three year olds. Lets not answer questions or even attempt it, lets just keep throwing Herbie out there. Your bloods on your hands…

          5. Jim says:

            If you insist that your God is real unless someone can prove your God is not real, then why shouldn’t someone else insist that you treat Herbie the Giant Fucking Cosmic Iguana is real unless you prove otherwise?

            And if you insist that you don’t have to prove Herbie the Giant Fucking Cosmic Iguana character isn’t real — that other people have to prove Herbie the Giant Fucking Cosmic Iguana character IS real… why then, you should have to accept the same standard for your “God” character.

            Come on, Jacob, think. Break out your brain and take it for a test jog.

          6. Rowan says:

            Yes, your refusal to doubt anything about your religious ideology has brought it down to a three year-old level. You refuse to debate the paleontology. You just keep on throwing your divinity out there. There’s no blood on your hands, but it sure is a silly way to argue, isn’t it, Jacob? Besides, that, I can have Herbie the Cosmic Iguana come talk to you personally. Can you do that with your God?

  6. Damen says:

    All other theology aside can you disprove that God is real?

  7. Damen says:

    All other theology aside can you disprove that God is real?

    Sorry to inform you of this, but the burden of proof rests with the one making the original extraordinary claim. You claim that god is real, you know the truth and blah, blah, blah and yet you provide no evidence for this except for a single book and a truck-load of rhetoric and circular arguments.

    Provide us with some proof that you’re not just full of crap and spouting falsehoods and we’ll listen. You’ll find we’re actually quite receptive to evidence. Otherwise, I can ask you to prove that invisible pink unicorns don’t exist.

    Wow… I can cherry pick and take things out of context as well. Bravo…

    You can have all the context you want but it won’t change the fact that these are passages from your bible and they are blatantly contradictory. In at least one case, it was Jesus who was contradicting himself.

    Now here’s one that amuses me.

    Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
    – Matthew 5:22

    [Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
    – Matthew 23:17

    And here’s another.

    I and my father are one.
    – John 10:30

    … I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    – John 14:28
    [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]

    The claim of your bible being without contradictions is demonstratively false and you could learn this yourself with a simple google search.

  8. Mark says:

    You said of the Bible: “It is scientifically correct hundreds and of years in advance”. To my knowledge of the Bible (which is admittedly not extensive) I know of no scientific statements in the Bible that are as correct and profound as you indicate. Can you enlighten me?

    By the way, don’t even bother trying to quote the first chapter of Genesis, it’s really screwed up scientifically.

      1. Damen says:

        Ooo, drive-by bullshit!

        The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible.”

        What a load of horseshit.

        1: Noah’s Ark – Any wooden vessel of that size would find itself at the bottom of the ocean really god damn fast. The Wyoming, a schooner built in 1909, was the largest wooden vessel to ever be built. She was over 450 feet long and displaced around 9,100 metric tons. this ship had to be constructed with modern iron bolts and modern pumps to keep her from flooding. Are you gonna tell me it was possible for Noah, with no iron and no shipbuilding knowledge, to construct an even larger ship without those materials?

        2: Leviticus 11:5-6 says rabbits chew their cud. They don’t.

        3: According to Leviticus 11:13-19 & Deuteronomy 14:11-18, bats are birds.

        4: And did you know that some birds have four feet (Leviticus 11:20-21)?

        5: Genesis 7:20 says that the whole of the earth was covered with water with room to spare. The top of Mount Everest sits at 29,029 feet above sea-level. Tell me, where did all this water come from? Even if all the icecaps melted at once and it rained (of biblical proportions, no less) there still wouldn’t be enough water to cover that mountain. And even if it did, where did all that water go after the flood subsided?

        These are just five examples which show that the website, posted by our nameless link-dropper, doesn’t know what the hell it’s talking about.

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