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God, the Biggest Abortionist of all

Between 30% and 50% of conceptions (some suggest more) end in spontaneous miscarriage. This results in a far higher number of terminated pregnancies from spontaneous miscarriage than from intentional abortion. Those who believe in full human rights for a fertilized egg and assert an “equally valuable life at 2 cells” must confront this fact. The largest source of death in “equally valuable” human life with “full human rights” is spontaneous miscarriage. Indeed, if one considers a fertilized egg an “equally valuable” human life with “full human rights,” then spontaneous miscarriage is the single leading cause of death for fully-valuable human beings.

Who is responsible for this massive wave of death?

People who aren’t religious fundamentalists will be comfortable answering that no one is responsible. But people who are religious fundamentalists, the same people who have decided that fertilized eggs are “equally valuable” humans with “full human rights,” don’t have that option, because they’ve already drawn up a God character who has purportedly given divine universal human rights to fertilized eggs and zygotes and embryos, rights that shall not be questioned and must be heeded because this God character is responsible for all creation and holds the whole world in his hands. The whole world. All of creation… including the fertilized eggs and zygotes and embryos that are spontaneously aborted.

Who is responsible for this massive wave of death?

God, the biggest abortionist of them all.

You want to prevent the death of all these “equally valuable” human beings with “full human rights?” Start praying for your God to straighten up and fly right.

48 comments to God, the Biggest Abortionist of all

  • Jacob

    If you want to get technical God is responsible for 100% of ALL deaths. He is the One in control… You can whine but that doesnt change anything

  • Kevin

    So, Jacob, you admit that your god is a murdering phycopath?

    well I guess that’s a start. I was told he likes to watch people masturbate. Will you also agree that he is a perverted voyeur?

    I think that would be great progress for you…

  • Mark

    Does the Catholic Church, or any church for that matter, give last rites to miscarried fetuses? If they are truly human than don’t you think the church should be doing this? Otherwise, won’t they be condemned to Hell?

  • jacob

    Not sure what the Catholic church does… Not even sure what last rights are for… Sorry I cant help you there

  • Jacob

    I do wish I could explain this better. I think having an understanding of why this happens would help me with my greif since we lost our child. I do know that (most athiests laugh hard at this) for me to able to wrap my mind around God’s and understand all of His plans is impossible. I also know that if I could he wouldnt be worth worshipping. I cant see the big picture and all He has planned. I do know that the loss of my child has profoundly affected my life. It has increased my desire for world missions and grown my faith…

    • Chas

      Faith hmmmm When my wife was taking her last breath I prayed to God as I had hundreds of thousands of times to heal her. for some reason when that did not happen and she died I prayed even more, and convinced myself that she was at Peace and no longer in pain.

      A few years later when God Took my Son, me and God had a different conversation, a much longer, curse laden, one sided screaming conversation. Nobody has the right to take my only Son.

      And then there are the people who say the same ole thing, oh he is at PEACE and no more pain,,, ya know shut the Fuck up before I tear out a PIECE of your throat you non understanding ignorant fool. No one can even begin to comprehend the emptiness and pain I feel.

      If God is listening to prayers why did he not save my wife and son, are you telling me that there are other people more worthy of being saved than my wife and son. Get. The. Fuck. Out. Of. My. Face.

      So here is me being nice about God..
      I agree a lot with the Founding Fathers of the United States and how they felt about the almighty. He does not watch over us in our everyday life, we are just thrown down on this rock, ( the phrase hell on earth comes to mind) and then after we die we may get judged on how we did down here with that whole freedom of choice thing.

      That is the best I can offer up to an other beings involvement with our lives and watching over us and how faith can move mountains and how my Wife and Son are still dead, and my Son was the last thing I had in this world, so yes I am in Hell right now.

      World missions,,, hmm how we all make sure our backyards are in shape before anyone goes out trying to impress our Faith onto someone else. It seems religious faith has killed to many millions already in the last 1/4 century. How about we just let people believe what they believe and people stop saying my god is better than your god.

      Oh and that Profound affect on your life, my Son was 22 years old and has not been dead 3 years but yet I know that profound effect will be upon me even AFTER I draw my last breath

      Jacob I don’t know you but I wish I could take your pain and add on to mine, not because I can handle it, but because this is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy and you are not even my best enemy.
      I do offer a website, CompassionateFriends.org These people have lost a child and are the only people who can even start to understand your pain. Everyone else is ignorant of the pain and I am thankful for that.

      • Jacob

        Chas,
        I understand where you are coming from on a smaller scale. I have my wife still so I couldnt possibly graso the pain in that. I can tell you that God knows your pain. He knows what its like to see His son tirtured and killed. He knows what its like to lose an only begotten son. But your experiance is the same I had with wanting to increase my speed to get onto the mission field. When you see someone you live die it drives home the point of how fragile life is. There is no promise of tomorow for any of us. I enjoy coming on to this site. Its my own little mission field during my down times at work. And when we are not arguing the people here are really nice and there is good conversation. But knowing how fragile life is its time for me to go to a place where people have not had the oppurtunity to say yes or no. Thats what I mean by increasing my desire for missions. Jim for example, he knows what the options are and at this point in his life has rejected God. I pray daily that he accepts Christ and spends eternity in heaven but that is up to him at this point. The people of Comoros at this point do not have that option. 99% of them have never once heard the name Jesus.

        • How, can you say that losing your child has grown your faith in God? Is this what God does to grow faith? Kill yourinnocent baby. Yeah, that should get your attention, now you have a reason to have faith and love God. That doesn’t make any sense!

  • I am posting a link to a site. I didnt read much because the pictures are to horrible and I couldnt deal with it. Fair warning, week stomachs do not enter. if you think abortion is OK though it probably wont bother you. Its just some flesh, think cow meat like Kevin. I believe all you have to do is click on my name

    • jacob

      I did something wrong, that is just one picture. Horrible but not the whole thing. I will try to get a better link latter

      • Jim

        It goes to an absolutely dead web page, actually.

        Why has a miscarriage in your family grown your faith in the God that took your wife’s pregnancy away and robbed you of a future child, that, to use your own moral standards and definitions, murdered your baby?

        That makes God, to use your own moral standards, Adolf Hitler. Why are you worshipping Adolf Hitler?

  • Dr. Theopolis

    Jacob already told you why–because he can not wrap his mind around the fact that an entity responsible for 100% of human death and suffering is good and therefore worthy of worship. If Jacob could wrap his mind around why this entity is worthy of worship, this entity would not be worthy of worship.

    See?

    • Jacob

      Dr. Theopolis,

      If you could understand every aspect of the mind of God what kind of God would that be? I cant even understand every single aspect of the human mind byt somehow you expect the God head to be known to you. You expect to understand how every action plays out on the scale of eternity??? If you could understand all of that your new argument would be look how puny God is, even I can understand him, and you would be orrect…

      • Wow. That’s an innovative theology: God isn’t God unless he’s incoherent. Worship the incoherence!

        • Dr. Theopolis

          It’s not innovative, Rowan. It’s the mainstream of theology.

          There is no logical reason to believe in God, THEREFORE we believe in God.

          There is no logical reason to hold God to be good, THEREFORE we hold God to be good.

          etc., etc.

          There is, by the way, no logical reason to believe that fairies living in my ear wax created the universe or are responsible for the deaths of all people, THEREFORE we do NOT believe that fairies living in my ear wax created the universe or that they are responsible for the deaths of all people.

          Why do we believe SOME things that make no logical sense, but not others? In response to the MYSTERY. What mystery? The mystery of the things we believe in that make no logical sense…

          etc., etc.

          Oh and we demand that you respect us intellectually too, by the way…

          • Jacob

            Explain to me in detail exactly how the big bang worked. No maybes or could bes, I want sold proof. And explain to me logically how nothing created everything and how this is different then your ear wax fairy… I expect you can do this. I am not even asking you to explain something infinate

            • Jim

              Why are you assuming that Dr. Theopolis has an unshakeable religious faith in the big bang?

              • Jacob

                Why do you assume Dr. Theopolis isnt smart enough to speak for himself?

              • Jim

                I’m not. I’m just plain curious. You haven’t answered the question. Your demand either incorrectly assumes a parallel between scientific theory and religious faith, or assumes that Dr. Theopolis belongs to a religious faith regarding the big bang. Surely you know the difference between a scientific theory and religious faith, so I’m asking my other question.

            • Dr. Theopolis

              Why do you expect me to explain in detail how the big bang worked, in 100% certainty, without any maybes or could bes? (That is to say, in terms that aren’t scientific–scientific theories are never quite 100% certain, and always to some extent or another contain “maybes,” “could bes,” “probablys,” etc.)

              The expectation that I would be able to provide a non-scientific explanation of the big bang seems nonsensical to me.

              • Jacob

                It is nonsensical… Thats my point. you expect Christians to be able to pick apart the thoughts of the Creator of all things. God of the universe beyong what we have been given, but claim that you dont have to. It can proven to a equal degree of satasfaction that God is real as the big bang can be proven… It just depends on which directio you start in

  • Jacob

    1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
    2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
    By words without knowledge?

    3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
    I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

    4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.

    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?

    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,

    7 When the morning stars sang together,
    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
    When it burst forth and issued from the womb;

    9 When I made the clouds its garment,
    And thick darkness its swaddling band;

    10 When I fixed My limit for it,
    And set bars and doors;

    11 When I said,

    ‘This far you may come, but no farther,
    And here your proud waves must stop!’

    12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
    And caused the dawn to know its place,

    13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
    And the wicked be shaken out of it?

    14 It takes on form like clay under a seal,
    And stands out like a garment.

    15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
    And the upraised arm is broken.

    16 “Have you entered the springs of the sea?
    Or have you walked in search of the depths?

    17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you?
    Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?

    18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you know all this.

    19 “ Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
    And darkness, where is its place,

    20 That you may take it to its territory,
    That you may know the paths to its home?

    21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
    Or because the number of your days is great?

    22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow,
    Or have you seen the treasury of hail,

    23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
    For the day of battle and war?

    24 By what way is light diffused,
    Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

    25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
    Or a path for the thunderbolt,

    26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
    A wilderness in which there is no man;

    27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
    And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?

    28 Has the rain a father?
    Or who has begotten the drops of dew?

    29 From whose womb comes the ice?
    And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?

    30 The waters harden like stone,
    And the surface of the deep is frozen.

    31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
    Or loose the belt of Orion?

    32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
    Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

    33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
    Can you set their dominion over the earth?

    34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
    That an abundance of water may cover you?

    35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
    And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?

    36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?[b]
    Or who has given understanding to the heart?

    37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
    Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,

    38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
    And the clods cling together?

    39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
    Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,

    40 When they crouch in their dens,
    Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait?

    41 Who provides food for the raven,
    When its young ones cry to God,
    And wander about for lack of food?

    • Jim

      Or, in short:

      “Shut up, you little whelp. I’m the Man. Now hold still while I give you some more pustules to settle my bet with Satan. Hmmm. Let’s see what happens when I make you squeal in pain.”

      • God

        “Would you discredit my justice?
        Would you condemn me to justify yourself?

        9 Do you have an arm like God’s,
        and can your voice thunder like his?

        10 Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,
        and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.

        11 Unleash the fury of your wrath,
        look at every proud man and bring him low,

        12 look at every proud man and humble him,
        crush the wicked where they stand.

        13 Bury them all in the dust together;
        shroud their faces in the grave.

        14 Then I myself will admit to you
        that your own right hand can save you.

        • Jim

          Oh, that’s rich, Jacob. Now in the comments you’re naming yourself “God.” Fitting, considering how the Bible is actually the word of people.

          • Jacob

            No, actually the Bible is the word of God. I didnt speak those things to Job, but I am flattered that you think that highly of me. That was long, long before my birth… And I didnt name myself God, I jsut decided that it was probably a bad idea to take credit for those words. Those are the words of God to man. During that case they are directed at Job but really they could apply to any of us.

            Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men.

            You are going to jump all over this because you dont believe in God to start with but the “pass through” part is the most important. God used man to write the Bible “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work ”

            I will put some things here but I am not a scholar, the link below can help as well.

            One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record. (I am preparing myself for the onslaught of supposed contradictions…)

            Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah

            A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word.

            Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true.

            Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of its human authors. As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words. In studying the lives of these men, we find them to be honest and sincere. The fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed testifies that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed God had spoken to them.

            A final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very Word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world.

            http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibletru.html

            • Jim

              If you’ve had long experience being informed about the multiple inconsistencies and contradictions of the Bible, then why are you still using the idea of its “Unity” as a pillar of your justification for it?

              Have you examined evidence that Daniel was written after the events it predicted? And have you examined Jesus’ own prophecies about his return?

              Are you aware of the many countless lives that have been transformed by the Q’uran? Does that make it divine?

              • Jacob

                Do you want a blow by blow of every single contradiction on that page? I can do it but it will take a couple of days…

                For example, light and the sun are not related beyond the fact that God made the choice to use the sun to give light. Before day 4 there was no shadow at all what so ever. Light was everywhere. In the deepest cave one would have found light. God could have left it that way but he gave us the ability to mark time, seasons, days and years. Seems to be a pretty good gift if you ask me… Of course there is the next couple of lines that help us with this. The sun was made to be for signs and seasons. This means whether, a testominy to the power of God, navigational uses and the sun will be used in future judgment and has been used in the past. And if you remmeber the movement of the Earth around the sun is what gives us our seasons. This is how God decided to do things. You see, there really isnt a contradiction for point number 1. If you would like I will continue through the list, just dont expect it today. Also, I think if I do that much work to point out how this works it should not be posted as a response to a week old blog. I think it would not be unfair to ask that you publish it. I will make sure it is well doctored and contains no spelling and few grammer errors. You can title it what ever you want.

                The Q’uran has tranformed lives. So has a Clockwork Orange and To Kill a Mockingbird. The tranformation by itself isnt all the proof just another piece to the pie. A lot of books have one piece of the pie, its when you put it all together that you a get a bigger picture of how big the power of the Bible is.

                I will examine the supposed contradictions in the prophecies of Jesus with the rest…

              • Jim

                No, you don’t have to provide a “blow by blow.” Your burden is higher than simply shunting aside one possible contradiction or inconsistency. Your burden is higher, since you (actually the text you cut and pasted in) claims that the Bible has “Unity.” To show that there isn’t “Unity” in the Bible, all a person has to do is show one contradiction or inconsistency, since that one contradiction or inconsistency introduces disunity.

                So actually, you don’t have to provide a “blow by blow.” All you need to do is affirm or deny the statement that contradictions or inconsistencies in the Bible exist. If you affirm the statement, then clearly the Bible does not have Unity. If you deny this statement, then all I need to do is show you ONE solid inconsistency or contradiction to show that your denial is incorrect.

              • Jim

                “Find One,” Joseph, is not an answer. Do you affirm or deny that the contradictions or inconsistencies in the Bible exist? It’s a simple question. What is your answer?

              • Jacob

                By asking you to find one I thought I was making it clear that I do not think they exist. I think I can answer any one that you throw out there, and we have already determined that I am not all that smart, so if I can pull it down the supposed contradiction isnt very strong… I have made it beyond clear that I think the Bible is the innarent Word of God

              • Jim

                Thank you for clarifying the beliefs that form the foundation of your desire to see policies enacted to restrict behavior.

                I have no desire to turn this matter of ideas and their policy consequences into a smart-versus-stupid or humble-versus-arrogant personality competition between the two of us. So I’m not going to turn this into a person-to-person comment contest. The discussion is also somewhat off topic for this article, which *presumes* belief in God and asks someone like you why you would go about supporting the biggest abortionist in the universe if you believe abortion is wrong. For those reasons, I’m going to start a new thread to assess the notions you brought up in the tract you cut-and-pasted in.

            • Jim

              By the way, next time try to think for yourself and avoid cutting and pasting pre-formed text someone else thought up. Or at least acknowledge that you’re cutting and pasting, and that you haven’t written it yourself. Come on.

    • 1. Then Winnie the Pooh turned to Tigger
      and said, “Can I have some Hunny?”
      2. And Pooh said to Tigger,
      Hunny? Do I have Hunny here?
      3. And Tigger was wrathful and said,
      look there, behind thy back.
      4. And lo, the Hunny was there,
      and Pooh was cast into shame.

  • Kevin

    “I can tell you that God knows your pain.”

    no you can not. First , you don’t “know” that. second, how can an immaterial being feel pain? and even in your odd thology, your god’s son was not killed; he was just temporarily non-alive. then he bounced back better than ever.. cause he could fly! and walk through walls!

    There is a word for this.. gibberish.

    • Jacob

      Yes, I can and do know that. And actually he wasnt better then ever, simply returning to His former self. The birth of jesus wasnt His first breath. In John we see that in the begining was the Word. We wee that Jesus, commanded by God and powered by the Holy Spirit created all things. Nothing was created without Him. So, not better then ever, just the same as all of enternity.

  • Kevin

    1. Boy Wonder said to Batman: “when can I drive the batcar?
    2. You never let me drive the batcar!
    3. Can I drive the batcar now?
    4 and Batman grew wrathfull and fearsome
    5. Lie down on the ground! sayth Batman
    6. For why for shall I lie on the ground?
    7 asketh Boy Wonder in a tremulous voice.
    8 LIE ON THE GROUND! thundered Batman.
    9. and anon doth Boy Wonder lie on the ground
    10 and so driveth Batman the batcar over the Boy Wonder
    11. In punishment for his sin. and the BatMan was good.

  • qs

    ” But people who are religious fundamentalists, the same people who have decided that fertilized eggs are “equally valuable” humans with “full human rights,” don’t have that option, because they’ve already drawn up a God character who has purportedly given divine universal human rights to fertilized eggs and zygotes and embryos, rights that shall not be questioned and must be heeded because this God character is responsible for all creation and holds the whole world in his hands.”

    Jim

    That’s one sentence. I believe there should be no comma before the word “because” in the first part of that sentence.

    This is because dependent clauses only need commas when they precede an independent clause. When they follow an independent clause, you should not use a comma.

    But then later on in the sentence, you added another “because,” and it was the same situation only you didn’t use a comma!

    Hmmm nothing much to say about the post though because I was distracted by your grammar.

  • Christopher Wing

    I want to worship god the abortionist, but god himself has forbade me going to heaven, so I’m not going to even try.

    You see, I had my testicles ripped off in a bizarre gardening accident. Pretty horrible. I had dedicated my life to jeebus. Then I found, according to Deuteronomy 23:1, that “No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.”

    I want in, but your abortionist god said no.

    Why Jacob? Why?

    When you’re a big boy we’ll let you know that neither god nor santa exists.

    • Jacob

      Good try but this did not prevent someone from living with the people of Isreal are from following the Lord. This prevented people from holding public offices and working in the tabernacle (later the temple). Good news for you my friend!!! Also, once again there are two types of laws. Moral laws and laws that applied in order to keep the Israelits pure before Christ. Only the moral laws stand, the rest are fulfilled by the blood of Christ. Why is it that athiest only hang out and cherry pick the books of Moses? Did you know there are 61 other books that will answer almost all of your questions?

  • le pelerin

    Jim, you ask a good question. I guess it’s the age old question of “Why is there so much evil in the world if there is a good God?” Fair question people have been restling with for 1000s of years.
    I thought you might like to read about this guy who went from an atheist and abortionist to someone who believes in God.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Nathanson

  • blue

    Why don’t you ask god itself? Eat some mushrooms.

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