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If God Makes it Right, Then What if Satan took the Throne of God?

So our friendly neighborhood missionary, Jacob, has declared with a simple “yes. God is perfectly just” agreement with the statement that “if God asks people to kill other people, that makes it a just killing because God decides what is just, and if he decides it is, then it is.”

This is a necessary statement for Jacob to make if he wants to deny that the God character in the Bible contradicts himself by first telling people not to unjustly kill in the commandments of Exodus, then telling people in Numbers (and a passel of other places in the Old Testament) to go and kill innocent children. If you’re going to claim, as Jacob the missionary does, that the Bible never contradicts itself, then you have to proclaim, as Jacob does, that the slaughter of innocent children is just.

Here’s a hypothetical question for those who agree with Jacob that anything God demands is just because God is God, and therefore by his status as God is just in his demands:

Suppose Satan in his full diabolical fashion overthrew God and became the new Supreme Ruler of the Universe. Just suppose that happened. If that happened, would you say that anything Satan demands is just because Satan demands it? Would you follow Satan’s commands because he was Satan, Lord of the Universe? Why or Why not?

If you would follow Satan, then doesn’t that make you simply a sheep, setting your morality on the basis of following whomever’s in control, even if the deity in charge is diabolically evil?

If you wouldn’t, then doesn’t that suppose you have some independent basis for deciding what is just other than following the example of whomever is in charge of the universe?

55 comments to If God Makes it Right, Then What if Satan took the Throne of God?

  • Tom

    How do these people communicate with “God”? Do they hear voices in their heads, are they relying on “priests” to be intermediaries between themselves and this God character? i’ve often wondered who speaks with God and how, as it raises questions of psychosis and paranoia about them.

  • Jacob

    Satan is not the Creator. He is not God. Makes a big difference

    • Jacob

      In fact, he is part of the creation

    • Jim

      If Satan overthrew God and took over the throne of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, he would become the creator as he re-made the Universe and its rules in his infernal image.

      So as he took control as Lord of the universe and re-made it to his liking, taking on the status of new Creator, would you follow Satan?

      • Jacob

        That would be like a coffee cup killing the potter and taking over the business. I mean really? Thats like asking “Jim, what if an alien race of millions of human sized people lived in your behind?” Its an impossible question. Its a stupid question and you know it…

        • Jim

          No, it would be like a kid killing his father and taking over the business, which happens all the time.

          I love that you’re completely credulous about the idea of God and Satan and the infallibility of the Bible and Jonas living in a marine stomach and Lot’s wife being turned into a pillar of salt and burning bushes and all that Jazz, but I ask one hypothetical question and you call it “impossible” and “stupid” and refuse to answer the question. Oh, that’s rich.

          Remember, Jacob, with God all things are possible, so I don’t want to hear that word “impossible!” If it helps you answer the question, imagine the hypothetical circumstance in which God lets Satan take over and makes it possible. I don’t want to hear you say “God wouldn’t do that,” since you yourself have declared that it is impossible to know the mind of God.

          Now answer the question. If, hypothetically speaking, Satan took over the Universe and began using his powers of Lordship and Creation to shape the Universe to his will, would you follow him?

          • Jacob

            Satan doesnt have those powers and its not like a son taking over the business. We have an infinate being and a finite being. Surely you can see the difference. Satan is not omipresent and is not omipotent. Satan does not have the power to create. Satan cannot shape the universe, he doesnt have the power to do so.

            • Jim

              Don’t try to wiggle away from answering this question.

              In this hypothetical example, God decides to give Satan the power of omnipresence, omnipotence, creation and all full infinite Lordship. Don’t go telling me God can’t do that. He’s God, after all. He can do it. Satan keeps his thoroughly eeeevil character.

              So now, answer the question. If, hypothetically speaking, Satan took over the Universe and began using his powers of Lordship and Creation to shape the Universe to his will, would you follow him?

              • Jacob

                If God removes Himself then we have a problem. The Holy Spirit is God and he provides our very breath. If God leaves the foundation of all creation is removed and no life will be. All of the universe would die instantly and there would be true nothing. There would be a true vacum where the universe used to be. I guess that means I would not be worshipping Satan because A. I would be gone B. He would be gone and C. All of creation would be gone

              • Jim

                Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. My, how you wiggle.

                Hypothetically, God fixes this problem when he gives Satan parallel powers. Upon his ascent to the throne Satan replaces the Holy Spirit with the Infernal Spirit, which does exactly the same thing.

                What are the words that you are so eager to avoid speaking?

                Answer the question. If, hypothetically speaking, Satan took over the Universe and began using his powers of Lordship and Creation to shape the Universe to his will, would you follow him?

              • Jacob

                Hypothetically, all water on earth and all luquid forms of all elements and all lose soft elements went away. The only thing that was left where entirely hard elements and this included the elements used to make your body. There wasnt a drop of luquid anything inexistance and fine things such as sand were all fusied so the whole world was one giant lump of imperriable material.

                How would you swim the backstroke?

              • Jim

                I wouldn’t, except in my bathtub in orbit.

                Now you answer my question. No wiggles. Just answer it. If, hypothetically speaking, Satan took over the Universe and began using his powers of Lordship and Creation to shape the Universe to his will, would you follow him?

  • AT

    So then Jacob, should we just believe anyone who kills and says that God told them to? How about that woman in Texas that drown her children based on “God’s command”? I guess you would say those killings were “just”?

  • ReMarker

    As with what any mortal says concerning what any spiritual diety demands (God, Satan, Budda, etc), I rely on what I know 1st hand, which is; I exist and I have the ability to decide my actions. Taking that into consideration, I have decided I don’t want personal benefit if that results in damage to others. If I burn in a hell for an eternity because of that then it is my bad, not someone elses, and I will honorably and courageously take my punishment.

  • Kevin

    Jacob, are you related to the Willard of thatmoive?

    cause you sound a lot like him…

    ReMarker “If I burn in a hell for an eternity because of that then it is my bad, not someone elses, and I will honorably and courageously take my punishment”

    don’t sweat it dude. you’ll be dead and won’t feel a thing.

  • ReMarker

    PS. I do happen to believe that the idea of “God directed” actions of mortals on earth is a satan inspired belief. After all, if we believe God is the source of our existance, then why would he give us independent thought? I know, I know, the Garden of Eden story is suppose to explain how mortals screwed up with God and made Satan their master, but what if that little story is “Satan inspired”? (Reminder: Satan is the master of deciept, right?)

    Here’s the deal. If people believe we control our own destinies, then that is quite different than our destinies being controlled by a spiritual enity. If the latter is true then the door is open to mortal interpretation, and therefore the influence of a “satan”. I prefer to think God’s intent is not open to interpretation by any mortal (or satan), whether we understand it or not.

  • Jacob

    No, I follow the Creator and Lord. I am a disciple of Christ. Nothing else…

    • Jim

      Thank you for finally answering. You’ve now established that you follow your God. The reason for this is not just because your God is the Creator and Lord, because in my hypothetical example Satan was made Creator and Lord, and you would not follow Satan. So what is the reason that you follow God, if not that he is the Creator and Lord? There is some independent reason. What is it?

      • Jacob

        “Satan was made Creator and Lord”

        That is my reason. In order for your game to work Satan had to be made into creator and lord. he at that point is still made into. He is still the creation. He is still not supreme ruler because even if God went against everything we know about Him and did this. He would be doing it. Satan is still not creator and lord because the only reason he gets to be is because “Satan was made Creator and Lord”. God even at that point is THE Creator and THE Lord. Satan is simply transformed…

        • Jim

          You’ve just defined terms and conditions in a way as to obviate the possibility of my hypothetical circumstance. Fine. I’ll ask my questions otherwise:

          Imagine you live in a parallel universe in which Satan is THE Creator and THE Lord. Would you follow Satan then?

          Suppose God’s voice comes down from a cloud and demands that good Christians must kill all the adult Muslims for their blasphemy, and kill all the male Muslim children, and take all the female Muslim children captive to use as wives. Would you follow God then?

          Suppose God decides that all kids under the age of 5 need to be raped weekly by His Pastors. Would you follow God then?

          Don’t tell me that you know God wouldn’t do that. The whole ethnic cleansing and female sex slavery thing has been done by your God character before, and as you’ve pointed out yourself, no mortal can claim to know the mind of God.

          You’ve told me that what makes something just is God demanding it. So I’d love to see your answers to these questions.

          • Jacob

            You defined them, not me. I just played inside the rules you applied. You are trying to get me to blashemy God. It wont happen. There is no realm where He is not God. He is the Maker of all things

            • Jacob

              You are acting like a guard at Guantomo Jail. “I know you arnt going to kill the president… But if you were going to how would you do it?”….. “umm, I wouldnt”…….”but WHAT IF..”……”well, IF this were to be I would XYZ…”…….”AHHHHH, kill the infidel! He is trying to kill the president!!!!!!” Actually, your leading and obviously loaded and biased questions would make you a great person to work there. Maybe you should apply…

              • Jim

                No. You’ve made claims and you aren’t following them through to their logical conclusions.

                You’ve come on here and said point blank that Irregular Times is your missionary ground. You’re not sitting in a cell. You came here and you laid down your smack, just like fundamentalist Christians my entire life have been laying down their smack in my face and telling me what to believe, how to think, how to act, which of my freedoms have to go away, and how their way has to be THE way because of their bizarre claim that this is a “Christian nation.” It seems you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

                You’ve said you could counter any contradiction or inconsistency in the Bible, and yet people have raised contradictions and inconsistencies and you haven’t shown them to be bogus as you said you could.

                You’ve gone ahead and called me “Adolf” for saying that I don’t have a problem with abortion before cognitive capacity is present, telling me that the thought makes your blood run cold. Then you turned around and told me that if God says to kill kids, it’s “perfectly just.”

                You’ve told me point blank that if God asks you to do something, then it’s just. So it’s natural for me to ask the follow-up questions:

                Would you follow any deity that was The Creator of the universe, no matter what that deity did?

                Suppose God’s voice comes down from a cloud and demands that good Christians must kill all the adult Muslims for their blasphemy, and kill all the male Muslim children, and take all the female Muslim children captive to use as wives. Would you follow God then?

                Suppose God decides that all kids under the age of 5 need to be raped weekly by His Pastors. Would you follow God then?

                These latter two questions aren’t at all hypothetical, unless you consider the Old Testament to be hypothetical, and you’ve told me that it is the inerrant word of God. The God character you use as justification has asked people to do some pretty twisted stuff, and you call it just.

                So go ahead and tell me, Jacob: if God told you to drag a little Muslim girl off into sex slavery to punish her parents for blasphemy, would you do it?

                Would you?

                WOULD YOU?

              • Jacob

                You ask questions that twist Scripture out of context. OT law does not apply to today. We are not the nation of Israel and we are not being led to the promised ground. The question you are asking is if Satan became God would I follow him. The only answer possible is he is not God and never will be (well, he will never be THE god, people do worshop him). I didnt put any smack in your face and I havent had the chance to answer all of the questions posed on this site. I dont get paid to hang out on Irregular Times so I do what I can between coding projects and after the kids are all in bed at night. I will get to the answers, I made it clear when I offered up the challenge that it would take time. Keep posting them people. I will get to them. I didnt call you Adolf but you have lied aboout that 3-4 times already. In fact I wrote a whole post on how you are not Adolf. You like to pretend to be civil by forcing questions that go outside of the character of God and what He has reveiled to us. I cant answer them because it isnt true and isnt possible. They are loaded questions. I can take whatever you dish out but I am not going to answer a loaded question. That would be stupid.

              • Jim

                Pal, I just linked directly to the spot where you called me “Adolf.” If you’re going to call me a liar, you’ve got to have the facts on your side.

                You’re starting to talk a lot like you know the mind of God and what He is going to do next, and you’ve told us all that nobody should presume to do that. If I believed, like you say you believe, that this “God” character is real and must be obeyed no matter what he tells you to do, then I’d think these questions through very carefully… because if you cannot know the mind of God then you have NO IDEA whether he’s going to pop up in the next moment and tell you to engage in ethnic cleansing, or sexual slavery, or the killing of little babies. You have NO IDEA.

                All you have to go on is the past according to the Bible that you say is inerrant, in which this “God” fella has commanded ethnic cleansing, sexual slavery and the killing of little babies multiple times. You know he has. That’s not a very good track record, Jacob, and it doesn’t bode too well for the future, unless you really believe what you’ve said — that ethnic cleansing, sexual slavery and the killing of little babies is “perfectly just” if God tells you to do it.

                This is not a “trick.” If I were a Christian, I’d say it was a question about the very nature of your soul. As you say, “And its never pointless. Your eternal soul is at stake.”

                If your God commands you to commit ethnic cleansing, will you do it?

                If your God commands you to kill little babies, will you do it?

                If your God commands you to drag little girls into sexual slavery, will you do it?

                And if you are unwilling to consider these questions and answer them, what does that say? What are the words that you are afraid to say?

  • Low Key

    I love all the twists and turns this Jacob guy goes through to explain all the insanity in the bible. It’s pretty entertaining to watch the fool but pretty pointless. You could pin him down with absolute unequivocal proof and the guy would simply deny it. Playing word games is not going to get you anywhere. The best course of action is to ignore the stupid troll.

    • Jacob

      Low Key, you cant pin it down. thats the point I am trying to make here. People like Jim have tried to shut the Gospel up for 2000 years. Jim just types hard but some people actually activily seek to destroy it. I think thats what makes many athiests so mad. they dont want to believe in a God but they cant prove its not true. They have an alternate possibility in evolution but they cant even prove that beyond the ability of Christians to prove God. And its never pointless. Your eternal soul is at stake. there is nothing bigger then that. I believe strongly that the Word of God does not return void. I also know that this site contains mostly athiests. Very, very few Christians come hear. So I will keep bumbling about when I see posts that strike me as opurtunitys until I leave for C******* or until my IP is blocked. (Of course, if its blocked that would prove that the writters at this site dont believe what they preach). So you can ignore me if you want, wont hurt my feelings at all. But please consider your eternity. Christ has offered salvation, all you have to do is accept that gift

      • Jim

        By the way, quit the martyrdom act. Nobody’s going to block your IP unless you start issuing death threats or something else batshit crazy and illegal like that.

        Besides, why would on Earth we block your IP address? Your “mission” may be to bring us all into the hot bosom of your ethnic cleansing, baby-killing, slavery-loving Lord, but I’d say you’re accomplishing the opposite: laying bare the significant, fundamental problems with basing your life on blind obedience to a violent fictional character and his manipulative and very physically comfortable representatives right here on Earth.

        Keep it up Jacob. You’re just digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole.

        Pssst. Why are you afraid to answer my questions?

        • Jacob

          Im not making them. I said you wont do it so I will be here for a while. Quite that reading wrong between the lines crap ;-)

          • Jacob

            Ive answered all that I can. And I am not in the deeper hole. I am praying that you climb out of the whole before its too late…

            • Jim

              So that’s where we leave it. I ask Jacob:

              If your God commands you to commit ethnic cleansing, will you do it?

              And Jacob can’t answer.

              I ask Jacob:

              If your God commands you to kill little babies, will you do it?

              And Jacob can’t answer.

              I ask Jacob:

              If your God commands you to drag little girls into sexual slavery, will you do it?

              And Jacob can’t answer.

              It’s not really that you can’t answer. It’s that you won’t answer.

              They’re simple questions. Why won’t you answer them? What are you afraid to say?

              • Jacob

                Jim,

                Can you do me a favor?
                Can you delete the post that was put in at “August 7th, 2009 at 5:46 pm” from me or at least remove the point where I said where I was going. That was not a smart thing to post and could end up getting me hurt…

              • Jim

                I’ll asterisk your destination out.

              • Jacob

                Thank you, I am going to get myself killed by being stupid. I appreciate it

  • ReMarker

    Emm, sorry to interject some thinking into the discussion of others but I may be able to contribute to enlightenment.

    Jacob says “In order for your game to work Satan had to be made into creator and lord”.

    I would like remind Jacob, that relative to some Biblical interpretations of Revelation, there will be 1000 years in which satan will rule the earth, as if he were God. Revelation 20:7-9. “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

    It is possible, per interpretations of other scriptures that the end of Christ’s dominion over the earth is marked by the beginning of WWII. After which, satan is boss.

    Repeating myself, it is all about who is making the INTERPRETATIONS. I often ask myself “Why would someone think they understand God’s method or intent?”. I think, more often than not, it is money but in the case of many politicians (mostly GOP) it is probably POWER, or they may buy into the “7 Mountains Mandate” (Google it).

    In the event I give spiritual advise (mostly to my children), I say “Many people think they know what God wants and what I think, or you think, is as good as what anyone elses thinks”.

    BTW. It’s a pleasure talking to you guys.

    • Jacob

      ReMarker
      You have the 1000 years backwards. The millinal kingdom is ruled by Christ. It happens after the Great Tribulation. Christ sets up a thousand year kingdom on Earth. During this time new people will be born but saved people will not die. People during this time can still chose to accept or reject Christ (amazingly people will reject when He is right there). If they reject they will die at 100 years old. If they dont they will live through the entire 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years the people who reject (this will be people under 100, because the others have died) will team up with the freshly released Satan for one final attack. Moments later that will be over. Satan and his followers will be permenantly cast into the lake of fire.

    • Jacob

      “I think, more often than not, it is money but in the case of many politicians ”
      ********
      I also wanted to comment on that line. Sir, the Christian faith is not a new one. Actually for a large part of history following Christ meant not having money or power and many times meant death. You know how in movies they feed Christians to lions? Thats real. Money didnt motivate this. there is a very large corrupt Catholic church in history but outside that Christians are usually pretty poor.

      • Jim

        For most of the history of the Christian church, being a Christian leader in a Christian country meant you had it a whole lot better than the typical serf.

        • Jacob

          Jim, you lump a lot of people in the whole Christian catagory. I think thats where the trouble first starts. Its easy to attack and deny truth if you dont know what you are looking at. You paint with broad strokes. The Bible warns against this. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

          • Jim

            No, I said Christian fundamentalists and I meant Christian fundamentalists.

            • Jacob

              “For most of the history of the Christian church, being a Christian leader in a Christian country meant you had it a whole lot better than the typical serf.”
              *******
              I must be reading it wrong… Where did you say that? And where is the Christian fundamentalist country at?

              • Jim

                My mistake. We’re having multiple conversations and I thought incorrectly that your comment was in the context of another in which I had referred to Christian fundamentalists.

                But I stand by “For most of the history of the Christian church, being a Christian leader in a Christian country meant you had it a whole lot better than the typical serf.”

      • ReMarker

        Either way Jacob, supposedly, there is a time when satan rules the earth, which is consistant with Jim’s proposition that you won’t address. It’s always “The Bible” with you and what you think is the general consensus of Bible believers. Never whether there is even a possibility that satan is actively twisting things as is said in the very Bible, you interpret to mean what you want it to mean.

        Again, it all boils down to the interpreter. Not the information but the person interpreting it.

        Surely you realize, I know the Christian faith is not new. However Bliblical interpretations can be new as is the “7 Mountains Mandate”. That pseudo-Cristian interpretation came to prominance in the early 1900’s and interprets Biblical scriptures to mean God chooses people for leadership positions in 7 aspects society, including political leaders.
        The objective is to have a “Christian Dominion” over all the earth (that means no more USA), regardless of who has to be killed, etc. Does that sound like any other historical movements, the Nazis for instance?

        My point has been and remains, “relative to his/her interpretation, much good and/or evil is possible.”

        I just hope enough people become enlightened so as to stop the “7 Mountains Mandate” crowd from getting control over our societies.

        Blind faith in the general consensus of “Christianity” didn’t stop Hitler, it helped him. And blind faith in the current day “Christianity” will not stop the “7 Mountains Mandate” crowd, either. Of course, you Jacob, may believe in the Christian Dominion interpretation.

        Jacob, wise up!! Non-“law of nature” kinds of interpretations of “the supernatural” have been going on since before witch doctors. Would you have followed the dictates of a witch doctor or pharoh or anyone that claimed to be God or God’s messenger? “Christians” must have taught you their interpretation of “how” to think about God. I tell you, what you think independently, is as good as the interpretation of any of your teachers.

        • Jacob

          ReMarker,
          People always seem to think that Christians breed Christians and that is why we still are. I must believe this because this is what I have been taught. You are wrong. I wont go into my lenghty story here but I will say I come from an athiest background and have very little contact with my family because of this. I am the ‘black sheep’ if you will. I will look into the 7 mountains deal but I do think that is rather funny. When the anti christ comes I believe the Bible teaches he will set up a world kingdom and rule for seven years. I stay away from all of the end time stuff as much as possible because it is not relevent to me. I believe more in preaching to the people today Christ risen. But I have studied it some. That sounds to be exactly what the antichrist will do. Set up a world government with 7 kingdoms and a ruler over each one. All controled by himself. This is important stuff you see because God gave us the Bible because the devil is the king of lies jusy like you said. The character of God revealed to us in the Bible is who He is. If we know Him we wil not be diecieved. It is those that do not know Him that will be. If Satan showed up today you would see him as a god. remember, he was the pinnacle of creation. Without knowing who God is you will be defensless. Leaving each person to figure it out for themselves with no guidliness… That my friend would be an evil God.

        • Jacob

          And the either way stuff is the scary part. Its when there is no foundation that people go crazy…

          • Jim

            What dichotomous thinking: either there’s an absolute God who makes the foundation we must obey, or there is no foundation. Think beyond the dichotomy.

          • ReMarker

            Jacob, I didn’t mean to imply your parents were your religious teachers. That’s why I used the word “teachers” instead of parents. In so far as you have learned about Christianity, I assumed you were not born with that knowledge. If you taught yourself then the Bible authors were your teachers and your beliefs are your “interpretation”, that’s all.

            I’m happy to hear you don’t subscribe (yet) to the 7 Mountains Mandate. As a Bible literalist (I didn’t see any/many “parable based” contradiction explainations in your responses in the other thread), you may change your mind when you review the 7MM stuff if/when you review it.
            Link to a 7MM utube explaination: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQbGnJd9poc
            Link to a Google search page that links to sites with
            “interpretations” of the 7 Mountains Mandate, pro and con.

            I can’t stress enough the “interpretation” issue. The 7MM crowd uses their interpretations of Biblical scriptures as their marching orders, and their positions are as hard to refute as yours, as the Bible and other religious texts are loaded with descriptions of events as well as parables and don’t define either.

            You may ask why I care. Well I believe America (awa other countries) is at risk from the 7MM crowd and people like them (Al Quada). Also, to me the 7MM crowd is another example of mortals using the religious scriptures to garner support for religious theories.

            Just so you know, I have no problem with the Bible or other religious texts. Regardless of WHY we exist, I believe most of us (regardless of our religions) want similar things as mortals. I also believe, to blindly follow anything is not in our individual interests, with or without religious texts. Therefore, for me, I reserve the right to make my own interpretations about everything.

            Sidebar: Refer “guidelines”. Guidelines have different values to different people. Example: I think killing others is dumb, with very few exceptions. Moses felt compelled to present the “Thou shall not kill” guideline to his followers. I think screwing around with another man’s wife is dumb with no exceptions. Moses felt compelled to present… well, you can see how the rest of my points would go.

            PS It’s been a pleasure guys.

  • John

    This may be a bit of a side issue to the main conversation….but….
    It was my understanding that God gave Satan authority over the world when Adam and Eve fell from grace.
    The bible also directs us to obey the authority figures that God has placed over us (render onto Caesar etc.)

    That leaves us in the position of God already placing Satan in a position where his will becomes the decider of right and wrong on planet earth.
    Paul tells us to ” submit to your authority”

    So we breaks God”s commands by submitting to Satan’s Authority…..and we break Gods commands by rebelling against Satan.
    Kind of leaves us in a position of being caught between a rock and a hard place.

  • Dean

    Jim
    August 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm · Reply
    I wouldn’t, except in my bathtub in orbit.
    Now you answer my question. No wiggles. Just answer it. If, hypothetically speaking, Satan took over the Universe and began using his powers of Lordship and Creation to shape the Universe to his will, would you follow him?

    from what I read from Genesis till today.. the Behaviour what satan doing to Human Beings… I don’t want to live what satan wants.. or his version of his Creation… Satan do not have ability to give love to me the same way does Jesus give his love to me…. Satan is destroying himself.. he only Feels hatred nothing else…

    if I see Satan becoming GOD then I rather be refused obeying Satan and if that means Death .. I shall take that Death… I rather to take love than Hatred..
    Satan does not offer me.. the way Jesus Offer me…
    so there is your answer.. Jim.. if Jacob can’t answer it =)

    • Jim

      Thank you, Dean.

      That would indicate that your support for God and Jesus is *not* based on their status as rulers of the Universe, but because you agree with their values and practices.

      That, in turn, would indicate that you have some other reason for holding to your values and practices, one besides “because God says so.”

      In other words, it seems that your value system is not grounded in your religion, but rather that your religious choices are grounded in your values.

  • Person

    This is an easy question. Satan takes over, and re-creates everything to his liking. Well surely he wants everyone to be like him, because he wants to be God. So honestly the question is impossible to answer for in no way is it possible to determine how he would rule. But if he remade everything then his rule would be all that would be known, so of course we would follow, but we would have to follow his standards, but what would those be? Who cares honestly, because as we see God’s standards is the basis for right and wrong, then if Satan took over his Standards would be basis for right and wrong, so of course we would follow. Not to mention why in the world would you want to defy such a being that could destroy his own infinite creator? and all the people that did defy him he would just destroy. But of course he would probably destroy everything and just recreate a new man in _his_ own image. But this is of course impossible, for God has infinite power, he is in control of all things, so not even Satan himself can do something with out God willing it.

    • Jim

      “why in the world would you want to defy such a being that could destroy his own infinite creator?”

      A very clear articulation of an authoritarian religion. For those who believe that religions are social creations, it’s a window into the authoritarian motivations of religion.

      “God has infinite power, he is in control of all things, so not even Satan himself can do something with out God willing it.”

      So you’re not a big believer in free will?

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