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How Do You Know Satan Didn't Write the Bible?

In responding to Jacob, our self-appointed proselytizing missionary worker at Irregular Times, Alvin writes:

“The books of the bible were chosen and actually voted on by human beings. These people decided what books are canon and what isn’t. Everyone knows that human beings are prone to corruption and lying.”

I don’t think a reasonable person would disagree with any of these three sentences (although if someone can establish they’re not true I’d be really interested in that proof). They lead me to this question for people who believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God:

How do you know that Satan is not actually the author of the Bible?

Imagine the case in which Satan is the author of the Bible, whispering into the ears of various human scribes. In that case, then you couldn’t rely on quoting some Bible verse to prove that God wrote it… because if Satan were the author of the Bible, any biblical assertion that God wrote it would just be a satanic deception.

So how do you know that Satan is not actually the author of the Bible?

Well, if you couldn’t rely on the Bible to prove that the Bible is true, you could rely on human accounts. But humans are prone to corruption and lying, especially about themselves.

So how do you know that Satan is not actually the author of the Bible?

57 comments to How Do You Know Satan Didn't Write the Bible?

  • ReMarker

    Exactly Alvin. There is no way to know. Even if there were, the influence of the text still depends on HOW it is interpreted by mortals and HOW MANY people believe it.

    • G

      I think the majority of the Bible is pretty simple & straightforward to understand/interpret, ReMarker. Its influence is entirely dependent on God.

      “So is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.” – Isaiah 55:11

      “If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.” – James 1:5

      • Jim

        You can’t conclude that the Bible’s influence is entirely dependent on God just because the Bible says so in Isaiah and James…

        … because if the Bible is NOT authored by God, but instead by Satan, then you CAN’T TRUST WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

        To make another interpretation of your cryptic statement, you can’t conclude from the Bible’s popularity that the Bible is from God. Is porn the word of God? Is beer the depressant of God? Is meth the stimulant of God? Hey, they’re popular.

        Consider that if people really are sinners like the Bible says, really are so venal and morally corrupt, then if the Bible is the work of Satan, it would naturally be attractive to people.

        • G

          I think you misquoted me over ReMarkers “popularity” thought. I won’t argue with you over the Satanic authorship stuff, Jim. I believe my case is made in the other comments. My references are only good as far as my own presupposed beliefs are true – I’ll grant you that. But they stand up well to rational scrutiny, even if ultimately grasped by faith.

          • Jim

            Nope: I was trying “popularity” as another possible interpretation of your word “influence,” as another possibility of what you might have meant. I guess that’s not what you meant.

            Your argument is not rational in anything more than the most trivial sense:

            1. X is true.
            2. Therefore X is true.
            3. Therefore Not X is Not True.

            where we substitute:

            1. The Bible is the Word of God.
            2. Because the Bible says it is the Word of God, it is the Word of God.
            3. Therefore it is not the Word of someone else, like Satan.

            The only possible way in which this argument makes sense is if you start with position #1.

            Really, all you’re saying to my question, “How do you know that the Bible is not the word of Satan?” is “Because it is the word of God.” Then I ask you how you know that, and you say, “Because it is the word of God.” Then I ask you how you know that, and you say, “Because it is the word of God.”

            All I ask you to do is to open your mind to this hypothetical: IMAGINE, OK, I promise God won’t be upset, I asked him, just IMAGINE that the Bible could POSSIBLY be penned by Satan. If the remotest possibility exists, then you have NO basis to use the Bible as a source of authority.

            “But the Bible is the Word of God,” you respond. I could ask you how you know that, but I think I have a good idea what you’d say.

  • Jacob

    Seriously, Ill send you a Bible… email me your address and I will trow one in the mail. The only way this question would even come about is because you havent actually read the thing.

    • Jim

      I’ve read the thing, multiple times.

      You can’t cite the Bible to prove the Bible isn’t the word of Satan, because if the Bible is the word of Satan, then you can’t believe a word it says.

      So come on, how do you know? Explain it to me in tiny words so I can understand.

      • G

        “Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” – Matt 12:25-28

        I think Jesus own logic answers your question, Jim. A Satanic authorship would be self-defeating.

        • HareTrinity

          That’s what he wants you to think. He’s lulling you into a false sense of security so that other bits seem more credible.

        • Jim

          Unless the Bible is authored by Satan and is filled with lies, in which case Matthew 12:25-28 is a piece of writing meant by Satan to convince you, G, that Satan couldn’t possibly have authored the Bible.

          • G

            Why would Satan want to convince me he did OR didn’t write the Bible, if what the Bible says is contrary to His own objectives – namely, to dissuade my belief in the one true God?

            It is an interesting thought only to the point where it stops making sense in order to excuse oneself from believing a more rational, if loathed, conclusion.

            • Jim

              How do you know that Satan wants to dissuade your belief in the one true God?

              Perhaps Satan has an interest in promoting monotheism to hide from you the existence of six more benign gods. Unless you already assume the Bible is the word of a monotheistic God, you can’t know one way or the other.

              Now answer the question. How do you know that Satan is not actually the author of the Bible?

              • G

                Tell me something Jim – what do I have to lose if, in the most nonsensical of all possible worlds, I AM deluded in my belief in God and His Bible?

              • Jim

                Your liberty during the only life you have to live. That’s up to you, and as long as you keep it to yourself, I guess it’s your business. If you are deluded in your belief in God and His Bible (as you put it), AND if you try to use your beliefs to set mandates for how everybody else lives, then you’re setting up a deluded theocracy. That could affect the lives of hundreds of millions or even billions of people for the worse.

                I’m not saying that’s what you’re trying to do, since I don’t know if you are, but there are certainly a number of fundamentalist Christians who are trying just that. When religious claims are used to push politics, the veracity of those religious claims becomes an important matter for evaluation.

                If you don’t want your beliefs evaluated, keep them private.

              • ReMarker

                Exceptionally said!!!

      • JeffD

        Why would Satan write anything that exposes him as the enemy of humanity, points to a path of savation away from him, discounts him and predicts his demise?

        • Why would God write anything that exposes him as a genocidal slavery-loving baby killer?

          As they say on Sunday, it’s a Mystery.

        • JeffD

          Jim, For some reason I can’t reply to your reply so I have to reply to my reply to reply to your reply. Sorry for the confusion. You’re playing Monday morning quarterback thousands of years afterwards and judging God through human eyes. I’m not going to pretend to understand everything in the Bible and I don’t need to justify God. But did Satan write the Bible? Nope.

        • Hi, JeffD. If I’m Monday-morning quarterbacking God, then you’re Monday-morning quarterbacking Satan. I was just applying your own standard, which you then rejected.

          My point: if you say Satan is not the author of the Bible because it makes the Satan character appear bad to human eyes, then clearly God cannot be the author of the Bible because — assuming you don’t like slavery, genocide and baby-killing — the Bible makes the God character out to be a pretty bad actor too.

          Your respond that we can’t judge the God character after the fact. Why, then, is it OK to judge the Satan character after the fact, as you’ve done?

        • JeffD

          Jim, I still have to reply to my reply to reply…. I’m not doing that again.
          It’s not that the Bible makes Satan look bad to human eyes, it’s that it provides a path for humans to overcome him and en the end the Bible destroys him.
          You’re a master of logic but I’m not playing Monday-morning quarterback judging his actions. You did with God but I didn’t do that with Satan with what I wrote. Ok, I called him the enemy of humanity and if you want to call that judging him, fine. But I’m not doing the judging, I don’t have that authority.
          Correct assuming that I don’t like slavery, genocide and baby-killing. I don’t agree with your assessment in judging God.

        • On tech – sorry, Jeff, this is as nested as the comments get with our installation.

          The God character in the Bible not only condones but commands that slavery, baby-killing and genocide be carried out. It’s right there in the Old Testament, over and over again. You say you don’t like slavery, baby-killing and genocide. Most people would call these acts evil and abhorrent. Why would you align yourself with such an evil, abhorrent character? Why grant this character extra legitimacy by labeling him “real” and offering worship?

        • JeffD

          No sweat, I can deal with the tech prob. I’ve read the Old Testament text too and understand where you’re coming from. I’ve spent some time pondering why and how this could be. Was some of it man saying it was a God thing when it wasn’t or was some of it God acting with foreknowledge? Was some of it man misinterpreting what God actually did? I don’t know. I don’t have it figured out and I’m ok with not being able to. Looking at the Flood, He destroyed the entire population of the world except for one family because of their wickedness. I’m still glad He’s the judge instead of you or me, we’re not up to the job.
          I don’t have any explanation that can come close to satisfying you. I’m ok with that and still believe that God is God despite anyone’s interpretation of the text. I’ve considered the cost of my faith (and do so often) and His Grace is so complete for me that He is worth that simple trust.

  • Anonymous

    This one is easy:
    One can know the bible wasn’t written by Satan because one knows it was written by the sons of Satan.

  • NuttyButty

    Trying to prove the bible isn’t written by Satan by using passages from the bible itself is somewhat akin to defining a word by using it in it’s own definition. It makes no logical sense.

    • G

      Not entirely. Answering the question “the Bible is the Word of God because it says so” is more akin to a circular argument. I think the example above of Satan’s house divided is quite logical. Don’t you?

  • Jeff

    Aside from the fact that I think not reading the Bible would actually make people more prone to believe it is the word of God (there’s just something about an angry, vengeful being that assists his people in genocide and land-theft that prevents me from calling it God), I assume that when one reads the Bible one is supposed to concentrate on all of the good things that God says and does. Love thy neighbor and all that. Yet, strangely, this has not stopped centuries of Christian apologists from declaring other religious texts as the work of Satan regardless of any merit they contain.

    Crown the goose and crucify the gander.

    • G

      Hey Jeff, I assume you mean the reasons you mentioned prevent you from calling the being your God and not just God. Certainly what makes God God is His soveriegnty. But the confusion over His wrath and love is understandable. I guess another question to consider is, is justice a good thing? Does God slay people because He is whimsical or because He was upholding an absolute standard of righteousness against those who rejected it/Him?

      It is true, however, that any Christian apologist should, and rightly so, declare any “truth” contradicting God’s own revelation to be in error and deceiving, as in the spirit of Satan himself. Typically, this is a denial of Jesus’ claim to be the Way, Truth, and Life and that “no one may come to the Father but by me” (John 14:6)

  • Kevin

    oohh oohh If you god is all-powerfull then does that mean he could stop satan? and so therefor is your god responsible for all the bad things that satan does? I mean, if your god sends people to hell as punishment, where they are raped and tortured by satan for all eternity, isn’t satan just god’s enforcer?

    on the payroll so to speak….

    • G

      Yes Kevin, God can (and actually will later) stop Satan’s evil works. For His own reasons, He has allowed sin (ie, bad things) and suffering to take place. One could argue they actually magnify His glory as the one who stands against and conquers such things, delivering His people in might/valor/heroism, etc – all those cool words. Mastery over does not equate to responsible, however.

      Satan doesn’t rape and torture – I’m not sure where that speculation comes from. But yes, Hell is an awful place, moreso because of the absence of God.

      “The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.” – Matthew 13:41-43

  • How do religious people “know” anything about their religion?

    • G

      Theologians would say through general revelation (ie – to everyone) and special rev.

      General -
      “…Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.” – Roman 1:19,20

      Specific -
      Jesus Himself
      “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.” – John 5:36-38

      “If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” – John 14:7

      • Jim

        Those statements ASSUME that the Bible is divine authority, not demonically sourced. They CITE AS AUTHORITY the Bible, with the ASSUMPTION that if the Bible says it, that’s the way it must be.

        Any justification of a book’s divinity that already assumes the book’s divinity is trivial, circular and trite.

        Watch me use your trick:

        THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JIMBO:

        1. Lo, this is the Gospel According to Jimbo.
        2. This Gospel is the Word of God.
        3. Wear Purple on Saturday, and Go Buck Nekkid to Church on Sunday.
        4. The Word of Our Lord. Amen.

        Now, by YOUR logic, you MUST accept the Gospel According to Jimbo as the Word of God. Why? Well, just look at Jimbo Chapter 2: “This Gospel is the Word of God.” See, it is! Guess that means you’ll be wearing purple on Saturday and going Buck Nekkid to Church on Sunday.

        Either that, or you’ll recognize that a book calling itself divine isn’t proof that the book is divine.

        I’m guessing the latter. So now let’s return to the central question, G.

        If you can’t cite Bible verse to prove that the Bible is the word of God, and if you know that humans are corruptible sinners, how do you know that Satan isn’t the Bible’s true author?

        • G

          You’re exactly right Jim. Any appeal to “God says so” must be presuppositional (assumed to be true). But that’s why God’s special revelation – the person and ministry of Jesus – comes into play. His miracles and tangible authority were evidence of His identity and the veractiy of his word – the Bible – to the generations. Surely, the multitudes of witnesses, passing on what they had seen and experienced, and willing to go to their deaths for believing Jesus to be who He claimed must count for something?

          • D

            What witnesses? All of the witnesses are listed in the bible. Jesus put nothing on paper himself. Paul corrupted Jesus’ original message. Jesus didn’t want to preach to the gentiles.

            Matthew 10:5-6
            “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.”

            It wasn’t until Paul came along and found that many Jews didn’t want to accept his message that he went to the gentiles. Then he proceeded to change what was a branch of the Jewish faith into something entirely different. Paul says he received all of these messages from Jesus, but he never actually met Jesus.

            G you are obviously a smart guy and you try to make good arguments. You recognize other points of view and that’s more than I can say for many Christians. However, if you are only going to use the bible for your source, you are going to find yourself lacking in firepower and logical arguments.

        • ReMarker

          Thx St. Jimbo for my best laugh today. You have a great sense of humor.

        • Anonymous

          It also comes into play that God’s character is unchanging. He is now as He always was. If there is a claim that something came from God but it is contrary to the character of God then we know it is not from Him. Please study the canon and how it was put together. This wasnt a willy nilly deal. And there are a lot of books that didnt make the cut. Way too much information for this post but I its pretty easy to find some good information on it. Just google it. Look at both sides of the information, its better that way.

          • Jim

            That is an answer to the question, “How does someone who believes the Bible accurately depicts the character of God come to conclude that Satan didn’t write the Bible?”

            It is not an answer to the question, “How do you know Satan didn’t write the Bible?” It is not an answer to that question unless you can first prove that the Bible accurately depicts the character of God.

  • G

    You’re exactly right Jim. Any appeal to “God says so” must be presuppositional (assumed to be true). But that’s why God’s special revelation – the person and ministry of Jesus – comes into play. His miracles and tangible authority were evidence of His identity and the veractiy of his word – the Bible – to the generations. Surely, the multitudes of witnesses, passing on what they had seen and experienced, and willing to go to their deaths for believing Jesus to be who He claimed must count for something?

    • Jim

      I don’t see any miracles or tangible authority in my life coming from this God. Lots of generations believed there were gods in trees. Surely those generations must count for something. Lots of generations believed in Zeus and Hera and Poseidon. Surely those generations must count for something.

      What’s the reason here? X number of people can’t be wrong?

      I just don’t have that much faith in the veracity of what people pass down. We’re talking about a species that with no evidence, nevertheless had millions convinced that putting cabbage leaves in the bra would help with infected mammary ducts.

  • G

    Pardon the above mis-posting. Anyway, I’ve enjoyed the provocative discussion. You’re a clever guy, Jim.

    • Jim

      I’ve enjoyed writing back and forth with you, too.

      This question isn’t a side issue. If you’re going to throw yourself into a religion on the basis of faith, how do you know you’re tossing yourself into a worthwhile venture… or something quite dangerous? And if, like many (but of course not all) Christians, you want others to behave on the basis of your faith, how can you demonstrate that you aren’t actually being hoodwinked by the devil? The more moderate version of that question is, how can you demonstrate that your God actually exists?

      If you can’t, if it is (as the Catholics put it) a “mystery of faith,” then why should others be expected to live by your standards?

  • Roger

    Hi to all,
    beliving that the Bible is the words of God or Satan is not the point, as long as you seek knoglege of the only truth.
    Dear Jim, questioning the point is only a hunger that you have in knowing the ultimate.
    I will tell you something… If God is everything then how is it that there is “Satan” which is not part of him? this can also be a question.
    Answer: the equilibrium of the world… (+ & -),( light& darkness), (war& peace), (love& hate)…
    what we define to be bad and good, comes only from what the sociaty impose on us.
    But the ultimate truth is way beyond that… God is not Good, Good is everything, good and bad, beauty and uglyness.
    He is the ultimate consciousness….out of materialism, he is you when you reach your peach of consciousness.
    This is when you will know the answer to your question, only by reaching the truth and knowing at that point that this truth is not questionable, it’s the ultimate.
    For that, if yu need some guidence, you are welcome to meet my living Guru “JAGGI VASUDEVE” check “www.ishayoga.org”

    • Jim

      There are some hefty contradictions in your words, Roger, but I agree with you wholeheartedly that it is important to ask questions. Asking questions may even be more important in knowing the “ultimate,” in part because I suspect there may be no ultimate answers. Every answer leads to a new question.

      Do you give your amaterialist “Guru” money?

  • Me

    I too see the bible as inspired by men as in masons. Meaning god is very evil in the old test. So this onlymakes sense that he is not we know Jim to be. Our world is run by sec societies that do not care about any of our faiths . Thinkabout this the masons bid themselves to an Egyptian deity , Allah, and are luciferians and we are all not Muslim yet we are at war with them. So why would we think that these kind MEN that stat Jesus is their highest mason let us get to the right heaven? What only to trick us at the end of time. I did not know lucifer was so kind not to mention Allah. Now they also worship another god with a ja in the begining oh the name so this also means jahova. In any event secrets equal conspiracies like it or not. We follow ra! All religions follow ra! Nothing more nothing less.

  • James

    Because, like God, Satan is make believe. That’s how we know he didn’t write the bible.

  • Person

    By what I can see the main question here seems like a Catch-22. Think about it. If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real. This implication is complete crap. Any person with sense should realize that if this were true it must be untrue for if the Bible was not true than there is no Satan and there is no God, so then man is the one and only true author of the Bible, however, by man being unreliable and deceitful we fall into the same place. Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn’t real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong? These things are fun, they provide pleasure and so on, so why make it wrong? You see God must be real in order for that to hold true, it doesn’t make sense not to. Now if you look at Satan for he is the one that deceives people and makes them do “bad” things. But if he made people write untrue things, why would he make himself out to be the bad guy in the story? Makes no sense. And if man alone wrote the Bible that must make it untrue. however, this doesn’t hold either. Because man is considered unjust, deceitful and immoral. But how do we determine this if God does not exist? and if Satan doesn’t exist to tempt them to do bad things? So man could never have done anything bad, so if just man wrote it then everything it must be true, but then that means that its God inspired and Satan is real, but Satan inspired it then its all false and then man wrote it, but they are now perfect for there is nothing to consider it wrong or right so nothing has order and everything is random. But as we have learned by every scientist and artist and historian and mathematician we see that everything has order and random does not exist, because forces and thought make it happen, so therefore man could not have written it alone because if he did then it all contradicts. God had to have inspired the Bible because if He did not then everything in the universe would contradict! Therefore the statement doesn’t make sense and is self defeating, it is a Catch-22, a paradox, a contradiction in itself.

    • Jim

      Your arguments are full of logical and empirical leaps.

      Example 1: “If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real.”

      The first sentence is true only if the Satan character never says anything that is true, which is not so declared in the Bible unless I’m really missing out on a verse. You set up a logical “straw man” version of the Satan character in order to blow him down with a puff of air.

      Example 2: “Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn’t real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong?”

      Empirically speaking, there have been many atheists who, using non-religious standards without reference to God, have decided that adultery and killing and lying is wrong. They use a different standard. You also assume that people cannot come up with standards unless they are really real. People come up with imaginary-based standards all the time. The absurd implication of your argument is that every religious society with a standard must be embracing a true religion, which would mean that every religion leading to any moral standards must be telling the truth. Since different religions contradict one another, this can’t be true, which should be a sign to you that your argument is off-kilter.

      The rest of your writing is similarly off-kilter.

  • dee$

    ok the bible is tho only book that has prophecies which have all come true except for one 100% the book is infallible it is inerrant it does not contradict itself. satan i belive has had his way with the bible but in it it says that u must discern the truth from the bible on your own with Gods help not to read it and believe every single scripture thats my piece on it holla

  • Anville

    I’ve just been pondering the same ideas and came across this thread. It’s really an epistemological issue: what do we know, and how do we know it.

    As another approach, change the Satanic authorship to some other long-lived and persuasive entity or entities. Maybe he/they are just fucking with us, or possibly performing an experiment, by presenting a totally incorrect cosmological view of a monotheistic world with a single creator topped off with a good/evil struggle. Old Loki is having a laugh every time the “Old Time Gospel Hour” comes on TV.

    Nice job, Jim. You really cut to the heart of the matter of the chain of trust of religious doctrine!

  • mom

    I have felt (even when I was a kid) that if the bible is the word of god, but has been in the hands of man for so long, how many times has it been altered to suit mankinds wants & needs? We all know there were points in time where lots of people didn’t even read, and religion & hell seemed to be used as a tool to keep them in line. So if god sent jesus here to die on the cross for our sins (because he knew we are all sinners to some extent)then why are we believing in hell?
    And if hell was just sort of added to keep people in check what else was too? I think I personally could only view the bible as the earliest history book. And I can try to be the kindest, most loving person I know how to be, and in my time of judgment if I know I did the best I can god will know too.

    • Jacob

      Try that in a court of law. Tell the judge, “I know I broke the law but I tried to a be a kind and loving person.” and see how far that gets you. God by His very nature is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. You must repent and trust in jesus Christ alone. Hell is full of ‘kind and loving people’ in the eyes of the world

  • Daniel

    I think it is worth pointing out that the Bible does not present Satan as a supernatural evil being.
    The Hebrew word ‘satan’ just means an adversary or opponent.
    Hence God is called Satan in 1Chronicles21:1 (cp with 2Sam24:1)
    An obedient angel is called ‘satan’ in Numbers 22:22
    Peter is called ‘satan’ by Jesus in Matt16:23
    Hadad the Edomite is called ‘satan’ 1Kings11:14

    Therefore to answer your question I need to know who your adversaries or opponents are.
    And please don’t judge the Bible message by common superstitious ideas about evil supernatural beings and immortal souls floating off to heaven. The Bible is much more believable and rational than such notions.

  • JeffD

    I have experienced forgiveness and reconciliation with the Creator. There’s nothing that compares with what I have. Many may scoff at this or rationalize it. But it is such a great thing, I have to share what I can despite scoffing, ridicule or anything else.

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