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Vermont Gay Marriages Begin and the Weather’s Fine

Fundamentalist Christian leaders like John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Stephen Bennett and John Piper have spent years insisting that their God sends tornadoes and hurricanes as divine judgment against gay pride parades, churches that respect gays and lesbians, and governments that let same-sex couples get married.

The contention doesn’t bear up well under empirical scrutiny: the vast majority of the thousands of annual gay pride parades in America are pulled off just fine without any of the floats being carried off by twisters. I can’t for the life of me find any news articles about Unitarian churches being destroyed by tornadoes. And when Norway, Spain, Greece, Uruguay, Massachusetts and California started performing same-sex marriages, the weather in each locale was pleasant and peachy. Although Iowa suffered under strong flooding last summer, before same-sex marriage became legal, this summer after the legalization of same-sex marriage the weather has been mild enough to permit record corn and soybean harvests.

And now we can add another data point. In the wee hours of yesterday morning, Bill Slimback and Bob Sullivan were married in the state of Vermont. The weather in Waterbury, the town where they wed, was clear and warm, neither hot nor cold.

30 thoughts on “Vermont Gay Marriages Begin and the Weather’s Fine”

  1. le pelerin says:

    The rain falls on the just and the unjust. Judgement comes AFTER death.

  2. Jacob says:

    Hebrews 9:27-28
    And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

  3. Kevin says:


    except that’s not what you religous freeks are always going on about.

    have you prayed for the death of Obama?

    sure you have!!!

  4. Jacob says:

    Because one crazy guy on the other side of the country is acting stupid all religous freaks therefore pray for the death of Obama??? Wow, and you call us narrow minded. I think that praying for the death of someone who is unsaved is the worst thing that you can do. We shouldnt wish that upon anyone. In fact, we should morn the eternity of that person knowing what they are in for. No sir, I pray for a revivel in America where souls are forever saved. I pray that Obama accepts Christ as savior and follws Him.

    1. ReMarker says:

      Jacab says, “I pray that Obama accepts Christ as savior and follws(sic) Him.”

      Why do you think Obama has not accepted Christ as savior and doesn’t follow Him? Because Obama’s actions are inconsistant with what you would do as President? Or is it because as President, Obama doesn’t tell us what you just told us, ie. “I pray for a revivel in America where souls are forever saved”. That is not a very comforting thing for our President to be saying.

      Many people don’t necessiarily think prayers are the best way to save souls. I submit, the only soul any of us can “save”, is our own, and actions are more important to soul saving than prayers.

      1. Jacob says:

        I think his actions are of such that there is no way he can be following Christ. I think he is not saved because he said that there are many roads to heaven and its not just through Christ. I submit that we cant even save our own souls… Put we can and should pray for those who are not saved. I personally can not witness to him and I can not make a decision for him so that is all I can do

        1. F.G. Fitzer says:

          Maybe Christ is different than you think. Maybe Christ only likes the color yellow, and thinks all other colors are abominations. How do you know that isn’t true?

          1. Jacob says:

            Because all things that are created are created by Christ John 1. That means all colors, which we didnt create, are good to him. He likes all colors, they are “good”

  5. ReMarker says:

    Jacob says, “I think his actions are of such that there is no way he can be following Christ. I think he is not saved because he said that there are many roads to heaven and its not just through Christ”.

    Hmm, You seem to be very judgemental Jacob. Similar to fundamentalistic Islamists (terrorist), the support you give to your fundamentalistic Christian beliefs, ie. “there is no way he can be following Christ.” defines you as a fundamentalistic Christian.

    If you fundamentalistic religious terrorists can’t accept that all of us have a RIGHT to the life we have been given, and have just as much (arguably more) intelligence than fundamentalistic religious terriorists, then fundamentalistic Christian terrorists and fundamentalistic Islamic terrorists will be continuing the religious wars that have killed millions of people for millenia. All in the feudal effort to PROVE their God is the only God.

    I believe God doesn’t like that.

    1. Jacob says:

      Your right… I pray, wow, I should be ashamed of myself. What a horrible thing to do… Obama is deeply hurt everytime I go to my knees 1000 miles away…

      1. Jacob says:

        Its the exact same thing as crashing a plan into a building… what kind of crack do you smoke by the way?

  6. Tom says:

    Believe what you will, feel free to learn, change your mind, mature. Live your life and let others live theirs – no one has any answers (you must find them for yourself).

  7. Billy Buerger says:

    You know, my initial thought on Kevin’s comment was that we shouldn’t go around lumping all religious people in the category of those idiots who are praying for Obama’s death. Although Jacob himself, through his comments, put himself near them. Jacob, you don’t advocate violence towards Obama. Good. But you then go on to say that because he doesn’t believe in your narrow view of god, that he won’t be accepted to heaven and therefore will burn for eternity in hell. Violence after death, that’s fine. Just not before.

    And your problem with Obama is that he believes that the billions of people who don’t believe in your religion still have a chance for redemption??? Wow, do you really want to worship a god that is that hateful and spiteful. Who doesn’t care that someone did a lot of good in his life but made the wrong decision about which god to believe in. Sorry, no soup for you. Even if I did believe in a god, THAT would not be the god I would follow.

  8. Jacob says:

    It really doesnt matter what god you would follow. You can make up and follow your imagination wherever it may lead you. The problem is there is a God and you would not be following Him. Also, no person does good all of there lives. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God

    1. Mark says:

      Do you really think that God would damn me to Hell simply because I don’t believe he exists?

      1. Jacob says:

        No, your are damned to Hell because of your sin. You continue to go there because you dont accept is gift of forgivness…

        1. Kevin too says:

          So, even though I’ve followed every tenet of your Bible, lived a moral and upright life, shown mercy and compassion and TOLERANCE to my fellow man, because I didn’t ask forgiveness of the “correct” god (maybe I’m Hindu or Buddhist or Muslim), he is going to condemn me to burn in his hell for all eternity?

          Why would you worship such a petty, spiteful, passive-aggressive, emotionally crippled creature such as that? I’ll stick to my version of a much more compassionate and forgiving God, thank you very much. Your god hates too much, and hate teaches hate.

        2. Jim says:

          The variable in this story determining Hell-bound versus Heaven-bound is belief/worship of God.

          1. Kevin too says:

            But in Jacob’s theology, worship of the “incorrect god” equates to non-belief, e.g. Muslims and Jews are also damned because they ask forgiveness of the wrong god.

          2. Jim says:

            Yep. It’s a very strong claim — everyone who doesn’t believe what I believe is so wrong that they are going to be punished for not believing what I believe for ever. Strong claims deserve strong evidence, and Jacob can’t deliver that. Even IF Jacob were right, it would be evidence of a malicious, narcissistic God who Dear Abby would tell you is really not up for any kind of healthy personal relationship.

  9. ReMarker says:

    I don’t believe what Jacob believes so he thinks I smoke crack.

    Maybe I should explain fundamentalistic religious terrorists.

    Some religions including fundamentalistic Islamics and fundamentalistic Christians use terror to scare people into their belief system. Example: Do what this book and I tell you God wants you to do, or be punished by burning in hell for an eternity.

    These kinds of teachings terrorize people, particularly children.

    In Jacobs defense, he has been terrorized and believes he must do what others tell him to do, including religious texts, in order to save himself and others from hell. That’s a laudable objective but it loses its value when a stipulated belief system (you must do what MY God says) must be adhered to, for success.

    I repeat millions of people have killed and been killed, for millenia because of that kind thinking. No matter what I’m smoking, I think that is dumb.

    1. Kevin too says:

      It’s “fundamentalist”. If you’re going to try to argue or refute someone, at least spell check.

      1. ReMarker says:

        fundamentalistic is the adjective, but thanks anyway.

        1. Kevin too says:

          “fundamentalist” is the common adjective. While technically correct, you are using a rare, and commonly unaccepted version. It’s not used primarily because it makes readability painful.

          1. ReMarker says:

            I wanted to avoid calling someone a fundamentalist. That connotes being judgemental on my part. I prefered to identify the idea of “religious terrorism” as fundamentalistic. Sorry for the pain of reading the word fundamentalistic but my choice of fundamentalistic was just that, a choice.

            Btw, I can relate to “commonly unaccepted”, np. I am definitely not average, I’m normal.

  10. qs says:

    I don’t think this gay marriage stuff matters which party is power. It moves slowly in the same direction regardless of who is power but still moves nonetheless.

    1. Jim says:

      Riiight. Which is why same-sex marriage rights in South Carolina are coming really soon.

  11. kimberly says:

    Gay marriages should not be allowed by law, because aside from being improper in the eyes of the people, same sex marriages is against the will of God.

    1. F.G. Fitzer says:

      Using the singular form of a verb to apply to a plural form of a noun is against the will of Merriam-Webster, Kimberly. Should you not be allowed by law to write messages here?

    2. Jim says:

      God doesn’t seem to have a problem with them. I mean, look around. Vermont is still with us. Read your Deuteronomy.

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