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Was the Name Barack Obama Stolen from a Man born in 1890?

Anti-Obama activist Orly Taitz asserts that Barack Obama is engaged in identity fraud, based in part on the following legal claim filed by Taitz:

Social security number that Mr. Obama is using currently 042-68-4425, is a number, fraudulently obtained by Mr. Obama, as according to affidavits of Mr. Sankey, Ms. Daniels and former immigration officer, private investigator Mr. Sampson, this number was assigned between 1976-1977 in CT, while Mr. Obama resided at a time in HI. As a matter of fact, Mr. Obama never resided in CT.

042-68-4425 was originally assigned to an individual born in 1890, which makes him 120 years old. It appears this individual applied for the benefits when he was older and retired, and needed some Medicaire or Medicaid benefits. Mr. Obama is not 120 years old.

Social security numbers of people who have died are not reused for newly born Americans, but are rather “retired.” This fact, in combination with the assertion that SS# 042-68-4425 is claimed by Barack Obama and yet assigned to someone born in 1890, is used as the basis for Orly Taitz’s accusation that:

Obama used a stolen social security number 042-68-4425, which was issued to another individual born in 1890 in the state of CT.

These are rather stark assertions. Let’s fact check them.

What’s the basis for the claim in those affidavits that Barack Obama’s social security number is 042-68-4425? It is an error-ridden search of a database so discredited that the company creating it no longer exists, generating absurdities like placement of the White House in both California and Maryland, repeated declarations that Barack Obama’s mother is a man, and street addresses like 1234 Happy Street and 3 Multiple Street that do not exist. Neil Sankey, the man who carried out these searches, has admitted that they actually do not prove anything. For full consideration of these points, see our previous fact-check here.

But even assuming that Barack Obama’s social security number were 042-68-4425 — a claim that has not been proven — how would one conclude that the same number “was issued to another individual born in 1890 in the state of CT?” One would search the Social Security Death Index (here and here). This public record contains information on all the social security numbers of Americans who have died.

Go ahead and do carry out a search for your deceased grandmother or grandfather. Mine were born in 1901 and 1898 respectively; they got social security numbers and they are easily found in the index by searching either for their names or for their social security numbers.

Now go ahead and carry out a search for the social security number 042-68-4425 in the Social Security Death Index. There are no results. This means (unless you want to start arguing that Barack Obama’s handlers have scrubbed the records, in which case you can argue anything at all) that there is no deceased person, born in 1890 or any other year, who ever had the social security number 042-68-4425.

Orly Taitz’s claim? Clearly FALSE.


Postscript: Since it is so clearly false that Barack Obama stole the social security number 042-68-4425 from a man who died in 1890, you may be asking yourself: where did Taitz even get the notion to start claiming that it is true in the first place? Why, from the results of Neil Sankey’s error-ridden search engine spree. On page 27 of the document that places the White House in Maryland and California, “Barack Hussein Obama” is identified as a male with social security number 042-68-4425 who was born in 1890.

If you’re a reasonable person, considering the numerous other outlandish errors in the document, you conclude that this entry is erroneous, too.

If you’re like Orly Taitz, you conclude that you’ve just uncovered a vast conspiracy to defraud a 120-year-old dead man, construct a false identity, and orchestrate a criminal takeover of American government.

Which sort of person are you?

36 comments to Was the Name Barack Obama Stolen from a Man born in 1890?

  • Andrew

    Your assertions that this is completely false is without merit. If you do a search with that exact social security number in the selective service registration verification website. Using Obama’s last name “Obama” and his birthday August 4, 1961 “08041961”. Hey, it’s a valid social assigned to him with a selective service number.

    But you can decide for yourself. I would be interested to know why this is not correct. I mean the chances of someone with the last name of Obama with the same birthday as him in 1961 in the US is very slim to none; but perhaps that provides a valid explanation, apart from that social being tied to known addresses of the President.

    Thanks for your time,
    Andrew

    • Jim

      Even if this were true (and I have not seen demonstration that it is) it wouldn’t prove that the name Barack Obama was stolen from a man born in 1890.

  • Andrew

    That is correct sir. I never claimed that the whole story was accurate. I used the links provided on your website and I was unable to verify that claim of the 1890 person also..

    However, the Connecticut social is definitely his as is verified by the information I told you.

    https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfVerification.aspx

    check for yourself, pretty simple.

    • Jim

      Thanks for the link, which does seem to demonstrate that a person with the last name of Obama [no first name given] has this social security number.

      It doesn’t establish anything else, including the veracity of any other information in that junk database.

      By the way, you don’t have to have ever lived in a state to get a social security number associated with a state. To quote the Social Security website’s own information on this (see http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html ):

      “The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office.

      … Note: One should not make too much of the ‘geographical code.’ It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.”

      and also at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/ssnmyth.html :

      Footnote: It is true that the application form for an SSN asks for identfying information, such as date of birth, place of birth, parents’ names, and (optionally) the applicant’s race. But none of this identifying information is encoded in the SSN itself–not the person’s date of birth, place of birth, or race.

  • Andrew

    Not just a person with the last name of Obama, but a person with the exact same birthday as him and who’s been tied to addresses that Obama has also lived at. Ortiz’s group isn’t the only one that brought this to public attention. There have been quite a few private investigators who do this stuff for a living that have made mention of this.

    Yes, it is true you don’t have to be a resident of the identifier code. The card is issued from the state in which your application is filed, as far as what I am able to gather from reading. If this is not correct, I would love to be informed.

    I’m curious also why you think that the evidence that they have found that you are brushing off based on a faulty database.Along with factual information that you can view yourself I.E. the SSN and his selective service registration which corroborates the time line he gave in an interview where he was quoted “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school…” This establishes the same time frame of when this individual registered for Selective service as well.

    Anyways, it is my opinion that something does not pass the smell test in this issue. Not to mention Robert Gibbs’ uneasiness when he was approached with the issue concerning the Connecticut Social Security Number.

    This can all be brushed off as happenstance but when do you decide that this is just way too many random flukes to occur in one subject matter. Individually a lot of these things could just be random chance, but collectively you have to wonder. How many “coincidences” have to occur before you start to question things or do you just continue to give them the benefit of the doubt?

    Thanks for your time once again, informative links.

  • Andrew

    I further read up on the link you provided the quote you mentioned wasn’t in it’s entirety. First of all it mentioned the same thing I said. “This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived”…

    “since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office.”

    It also said after 1972 which the identifier is said to have been created between 76-77. Which would put it past that date it goes off of the person’s mailing address according to that same site.

    • Jim

      1. “Said to have been created between 76-77″? 1976 and 1977, you mean? “Said to” isn’t good enough. Do you have verification of this? I have seen a lot of people claiming to have knowledge of this, but I have not seen a single piece of primary source documentation of that fact. After all, they’re the same people claiming to have knowledge that the social security number was used by a dead man in 1890, which as the Social Security Death Index shows cannot be true.

      2. Be sure to get your facts straight. Before the date you mention, a social security number is generated based NOT on a person’s state of birth, NOT on a person’s state of residence, and NOT on a person’s mailing address, but ONLY on the office at which an application for a social security number is processed. After the date you mention, a social security number is generated NOT on a person’s state of birth, NOT on a person’s state of residence, but on the basis of a mailing address. Is it entirely possible, either before or after that date in the 1970s, that Barack Obama legitimately obtained a social security number this way? Yes.

  • Andrew

    “Since 1973, social security numbers have been issued by our central office. The first three (3) digits of a person’s social security number are determined by the ZIP Code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number.”

    http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

    As for the mocking my “said to have been created between 76-77″. Using the resources you provided, I established the 4th and 5th digits(group numbers) of a SSN are associated with the date created

    Doing a lookup of the 5 digits you get the following:

    “Five-Digit Decoder

    SSN starting with – – XXXX
    was issued in 042-68: Connecticut, 1976-1977
    Where and when card was issued, not where and when person was born”.

    I am not a private investigator nor am I willing to pay for services to verify further. However, this was done with a simple Google search.

    • Jim

      I didn’t mock you. I asked you to verify what you claimed. Please cite your sources if you want them to be taken seriously.

      I had to do a bit of digging to find what you produced, at

      http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html

      This website verifies what you report in the last comment. If the website is accurate, then it would also discount the claim that Barack Obama stole the social security number from a man born in 1890.

      • Andrew

        Thinking on that note, I would almost have to agree.

        If the person was born in 1890. Social security benefits started being paid into in ’37 I believe. Most likely “said person” would have applied for a SSN nearing their 50s. However, this does not necessarily provide solid evidence against this claim. The fact that it does not show up in the DMF is what makes it seem very unlikely. However, on the SSA DMF has a disclaimer ” The SSA does not have a death record for all persons; therefore, SSA does not guarantee the veracity of the file. Thus, the absence of a particular person is not proof this person is alive.” So it cannot totally be discounted. I can’t verify it so I don’t believe this aspect.

        Margaret Bossing is an example of a person with a similar year of birth to the alleged 1890 who only applied for her SSN 6 years prior to her death. (Can verify with your SSDI search linked above). So it is possible that the person could have applied for it at that time.

  • Andrew

    Yes, you are correct that it does not have to be his place of residence.. However it would have to be a valid mailing address for him. What purpose would he have in having it mailed to Connecticut if he was residing in Hawaii?

    Like I said, individually these things have potential means of explanation but collectively after a certain point you have to ask yourself when am I going to stop assuming the best in a politician?

    • Jim

      You mean in policy? Yes, I agree. Don’t assume the best of a politician when it comes to policy. Pressure them to do what’s right, and speak up when they do what’s wrong. The best part about this approach is that policy actions are visible — and also really what matters.

      Or do you mean that declaring that someone who clearly was born in Hawaii — right down to the certifications of Republican politicians in the Department of Health, the birth certificate shown all over and certified by the same Republican politicians, and the multiple birth notices in Hawaii papers — was actually somehow the love child of Malcolm X and born in Kenya?

      Sorry, Andrew, but if you want me to take you seriously, you’re going to have to prove the latter. These claims do nothing of the sort.

      Why, when there’s so much actual policy to talk about, are you so interested in pursuing a conspiracy theory that has so many times over been shown to be bogus?

  • Andrew

    I apologize it came across as mocking to me. Asking for sources is definitely understandable, however when you debunk most of these ridiculous claims at the level you do I figured that you could discern that information to be true on your own.

    As for wasting my time on a crazy conspiracy theory. I really don’t. I heard the Gibbs question and did some research on my own that was about the extent of it. I originally didn’t put any stock in the “birther” movement. However things that are interesting are his:

    Grandmothers claims

    SSN for the reasons mentioned above

    Selective Service Registration Form

    Amount of money spent in legal fees to just dismiss the cases (granted a victory would only perpetuate the movement further and make way for more libelous lawsuits)

    Amount of information that he is not allowing to be made public (transcripts.. etc)

    These are things that make me wonder. You are free to dismiss the issue as I basically do, however it still leaves a what if as far as I’m concerned. If the SSN thing were totally debunked I think I wouldn’t even take a second look at this. You don’t have to take me seriously as I am not an expert by any means in these issues. I was merely inquiring.

    • Jim

      1. What grandmothers’ claims? If you listen to the audio of the interview with Obama’s step-grandmother, you’ll find that there is no “admission” at all that Obama was born in Kenya. Actually, she says the opposite.

      2. There’s no proof that the social security number was fraudulently obtained, and lots of proof that Obama was born right here in America.

      3. What big “amount of money spent in legal fees just to dismiss the cases?” What is the amount? This is another floating Obama myth, and I have had an outstanding challenge for more than a year for anyone to provide me with the documented dollar “amount of money spent in legal fees just to dismiss the cases.” No one has answered the challenge. I encourage you to try.

      4. Barack Obama is keeping no more information about himself private than past presidents did. Did you doubt the citizenship of George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan?

      You’re not meant to check each of these baloney “facts.” You’re meant to stare at the supposed mountain of claims and say, “wow, that’s a lot of smoke. There must be a fire!” Check each of the supposed “facts” and you’ll see how vaporous they actually are.

      If Barack Obama really were, as a teenager and far before that, really plotting to secretly usurp the presidency of the United States and getting his documents in order for his run in the 1960s and 1970s, then WOW! That would be the biggest gol-darned conspiracy of the millenium! Too bad for the biographers that there’s nothing whatsoever to prove this cockamamie idea.

  • Andrew

    1. She originally agreed that she was present when he was born in Kenya. But you are right she corrected herself to say he was born in Hawaii.

    2. No proof it was fraudulently obtained.. I still am not satisfied with this issue.

    3. Floating Obama myth. Perhaps. All I can see is allegations by WND (which is not an acceptable source). I’ve seen $688,316.00 – $1.7 million. Unverifiable

    4. McCain released 1,500 medical and psychological personal information. Gore’s GPA has been disclosed, Bush’s has been disclosed, etc.. I’m sure there is more available.

    Like I said for the most part I don’t believe, however the SSN is where I became curious.

    Thanks for your responses.

  • I believe that Andrew’s “concerns” concerning the SSN is bogus, and he is just someone trying to smear the President with “doubts.” I see it a lot on different websites. As for the SSN, there is nothing to see here since Andrew’s own research shows that the number was issued around 1972 when BO would have been sixteen years old, and probably, just started working.

    As for the purported 1890 birth, it should be pointed out that nothing from the government supports this–it is merely a cut-and-paste for Sankey’s error-laden database results.

    Assignment of an issued-from-Connecticut number is undoubtedly the result of a typo from the keypunch (yes, I remember those) data entry operator. The first two digits of Honolulu’s zip is 96 and the first two for CT is 96. It would have been easy to misread a badly formed 9 as a zero–especially under production pressures of piece work, Ergo, a zip code of 06xxx in the mailing address instead of 09xxx.

  • Speaking of typos: …two for CT is 96 should read …two for CT is 09.

  • Its the weekend (not a good excuse): should read …two for CT is 06.

  • Robrob

    1) Very old woman with lots of grandkids says something though an *INTERPRETER* that was corrected in the same breah? Oooh, damning evidence.

    2) The databases used are so inaccurate they can’t be taken as more than an “investigative lead” by law enforcement. Never *ever* as evidence.

    3) The constant refrain of how much Obama has spent on his “legal defense”: Litigation leaves a paper trail. Where is it?

  • Vic

    What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!

    • Name me the distribution of isotopes of Nitrogen you breathed out 3.1415 seconds ago. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION! THEREFORE NO ONE HERE IS BREATHING!

      Prove me wrong and declare the distribution of isotopes of Nitrogen you breathed out. If you can’t, you must be a space alien.

  • Vic

    Jim Cook, READ CAREFULLY – YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE SCIENTIST TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!! Yes you can provide me with a name of the Physician if he was born there, the name is on the birth record!!!

    “What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!”

    • There’s no name of a physician or a nurse on my birth certificate, Vic, and I was born in the USA. What you say is just not true. It doesn’t make it any truer to click the Caps Lock button.

  • Vic

    Jim Cook,I seriouly doubt you where born in the USA,what state? Put up or Shut up!!!

    “What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!”

  • Vic

    Jim Cook,you don’t need to put your birth certificate on the internet. Give me your city,state and year born, I already know your name. Unless of course you were adopted or born illegally in the United States, or maybe you are a space alien!

    If you where born in the USA, someone certified your birth. Since 1946 each state was mandated to record all births per direction of U.S. Public Heath Service, remember your birthplace determines your American citizenship. LONG forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician or person at the time of the child’s birth. Whereas the LONG form is a copy of the ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, a SHORT form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as “Certification of Birth”, “Certification of Live Birth”, or “Certificate of Birth Registration.NICE EXAMPLES OF THE SHORT FORMS JIM, again if you where born in the USA, someone ON THE LONG FORM CERTIFIED YOUR BIRTH!!!!!!

    “What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!”

    JIM COOK – PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!

  • Vic

    Jim Cook,unfortunately you are a idiot DEFINE LONG FORM VS SHORT FORM. Read carefully again the above statement, this is an actual ‘legal’ discription and if your read the Hawaii egov site again it will clarify it for you again. If you still don’t understand the difference between the LONG form versus the SHORT form, contact Mr. Robert Hall and he will assist you in understanding it. Perhaps not being born in the USA is probably the reason you don’t understand it. I can guarantee you that Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama was not born in Hawaii, you will not find any records or any doctor or hospital in Hawaii that will take credit for his birth,why because they would have had to certified his birth in Hawaii. Unfortunately for you, side tracking this fact by making foolish statements or comments to avoid the facts,truly shows your stupidity. Please continue your foolish comments they are amusing now!! Again Jim Cook, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

    “What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!”

  • Vic

    Jim Cook,unfortunately you are a idiot DEFINE LONG FORM VS SHORT FORM. Read carefully again the above statement, this is an actual ‘legal’ discription and if your read the Hawaii egov site again it will clarify it for you again. If you still don’t understand the difference between the LONG form versus the SHORT form, contact Mr. Robert Hall and he will assist you in understanding it. Perhaps not being born in the USA is probably the reason you don’t understand it. I can guarantee you that Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama was not born in Hawaii, you will not find any records or any doctor or hospital in Hawaii that will take credit for his birth,why because they would have had to certified his birth in Hawaii. Unfortunately for you, side tracking this fact by making foolish statements or comments to avoid the facts,truly shows your stupidity. Please continue your foolish comments they are amusing now!! Again Jim Cook, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

    “What is the name of the physician that delivered Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama. Oh yes!! You may asked yourself for what purpose do we need this information. We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. NO ONE HERE CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE HIS BIRTH DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAWAII!! PROVE ME WRONG AND PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR!!!!”

    • Mike

      “We don’t but every American born in the USA has a physician or nurse or a name of a person delivering them. ”

      Generally true but not an absolute 100% truth. Even today a few babies are born at home, some without even a midwife. Not many .. but some. I think Jimmy Carter was the very first US President to have been born at a hospital but then Reagan and George H. Bush after Carter were born at home.

  • Mike

    Oooops! A retired Air Force Col., Gregory Hollister has released what he says is a photo of a selective service registration verification of Obama that uses the CT based SS number 042-68-4425

    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/foghorn_leghorn_photos/fogbow/Selective-service.jpg

    • 1. Anyone can doctor a “photo,” so whatever.
      2. Other indications have tied Obama to that social security number already (see above), which makes this not new news, which proves nothing, even if that is his social security number.
      3. Regardless of Obama’s Social Security number, the Social Security Death Index shows that there is no deceased person, born in 1890 or any other year, who ever had the social security number 042-68-4425.

  • loki

    I hate retarded fuckwads who write articles like this. They are dumb as shit, Obama rocks as President and he will again for a second term. All you birthertards have failed, go back to your mom’s basement white trash.

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