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Atheists Are Tricksters?

Proposal: Atheists today serve the same social role that was once served by sacred tricksters.

If true, does this role make atheists religious?

17 comments to Atheists Are Tricksters?

  • Jon

    Not in my opinion. In my opinion most Atheists are fools, that want to force their ENLIGHTENED beliefs on everyone else. Atheiest are the new Tomás de Torquemada. Just one look at the POGROMS of the godless Communist states and you get the idea. The only trick is getting everyone to cowtow to their crap.
    They remind me of color blind dogs belitting men for believing in color…..

    • theotherjimmyolson

      Jon I have studied the “godless communist states for decades, and their opposition to organized religion had nothing to do with atheism. These are totalitarian regimes, which will not abide power sharing and therefor must attack organized religion to remove it as a source of political power. The pogroms had zero to do with atheism, but were another manifestation of total power through fear. you appear to have never actually spoken directly to an atheist, since none of the hundreds of atheists I have known has ever even hinted at forcing her beliefs on any one. And Rowen, WTF is a sacred trickster? Also too, what social role are you talking about?

      • Jon

        In answer to the question of can I name one Atheist that wants to force their beliefs on others, yes.(Michael Newdow)
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56350,00.html

        The problem with Atheism is that it seeks to force public policy to mirror their beliefs, such as removing “in God We Trust” or prayer from the classroom. If the real reason had been that they were offended or felt stigmatized by the actions of others, that would have required a different approach. There are many things that take place in public venues, at tax payer events that I don’t agree with, however rather than trying to ban those activities I choose not to participate.

        Otherjimmyolson, I agree your Totalitarians regimes, position to a point. It isn’t just about sharing power; it is removing a basis for moral and spiritual underpinning that religion provides, which is their actual intent. It starts with the family unit, with traditional values and supports and moves into other areas that provide a cohesive integrity for people and society. The intent is to remake the population into ta pliable mass that is susceptible to the molding that the State wants to inflict, in the name of Social evolution. To them man is god.

        The idea of Sacred is a little out of bounds for Atheists isn’t it. Sacred is Divine. Divine doesn’t exist. Everything is caused by material processes that can be traced back to other material explanations.

        Really, if you told me that you were agnostics I would have much more respect for you. An Atheist says there is no God. Have you really looked? Or is this the reaction of a hubris that says there is nothing greater than your own ego? We have such small intellectual capacities that to search with the mind only is futile.

        • No, Michael Newdow is NOT trying to force Christians to give up their beliefs. He is NOT trying to remove prayer from the classroom. He’s trying to remove forced and coerced government sponsored prayers, while individual voluntary prayers would remain. Michael Newdow is only trying to make sure that Christianity does not receive government endorsement and support.

          Try again, Jon.

          • Jon

            Thereby endorsing Atheism. When we are silenced, your is the only voice heard. I know you don’t see it that way. But then Gay guys like butt too. This means that your intent is ultimately dependent on your perspective. Coercion is really a matter of perspective too. If there are 30 children in the class, and 1 objects and forces the rest to adopt practices that please that one, who is coerced? For that matter if there are 500 students in a school and 1 brings this to court, they thereby silence the other 499.
            It’s funny, but this thing you call Separation of Church and State only became an issue after the writings of Karl Marx and the advent of Communism and Socialism. I wonder what Michael Newdow’s politics are. I would bet he is a Republican Conservative. Maybe not….
            You need to try again JC….
            Arrogance doesn’t prove yoour point.

            • You’re not silenced. You’re just not allowed to use the government as a tool by having teachers or principals proselytize for any religion — or to insist that there is no God, for that matter.

              Karl Marx did not write before Thomas Jefferson. Look up your dates.

          • Jon

            Thereby endorsing Atheism. When we are silenced, your is the only voice heard. I know you don’t see it that way. But then Gay guys like butt too. This means that your intent is ultimately dependent on your perspective. Coercion is really a matter of perspective too. If there are 30 children in the class, and 1 objects and forces the rest to adopt practices that please that one, who is coerced? For that matter if there are 500 students in a school and 1 brings this to court, they thereby silence the other 499.
            It’s funny, but this thing you call Separation of Church and State only became an issue after the writings of Karl Marx and the advent of Communism and Socialism. I wonder what Michael Newdow’s politics are. I would bet he is a Republican Conservative. Maybe not….
            You need to try again JC….
            Arrogance doesn’t prove your point.

            • theotherjimmyolson

              I was willing to give you the benefit of any thoughtful interrogator until I saw the fox link. I am aware of the content of that link, and you are apparently unaware that it is used by atheists to prove exactly the opposite of what you claim.

            • Love that logic, Jon.

              You argue that, when public schools are established as places where NO official endorsement of any position about religion is allowed, then atheism is promoted. That’s absurd, because promoting atheism would be a violation of the separation of church and state in the First Amendment, and if you look at the lawsuits of Michael Newdow, which obviously you haven’t, you’d see that nowhere in his lawsuits does he urge that schools promote atheism. He just wants government schools to stop promoting Christianity. That’s all.

              You might as well argue that, as soon as Christianity is no longer promoted through government schools, government schools will automatically begin teaching Hinduism. Really, that makes as much sense as what you’ve said.

              Your need to contort logic and misrepresent facts to this extent makes it quite clear that you had to search quite hard before even coming up with a lame example, which just goes to show you that American atheists really are not organizing a conspiracy to ban Christianity.

              Now, if your deity is so powerful, why does he need public school teachers to help himself? Couldn’t he just go burn some bushes or something? Maybe that omnipotence wanes with age. Really, it’s nothing for a thousands-of-years-old deity to be ashamed of. It happens to everyone.

  • Jon, some sacred tricksters are fools – sacred fools.

    By the way, can you name one American atheist who wants to force Christians to adopt atheist beliefs?

  • Low Key

    The difference between Atheists and Christians is one God. In fact, Christians were called Atheists which is the reason given for the persecution they received from various Emperors. Otherwise they share the same penchant for Dogma and pushing their beliefs on others.

    • Of course, Loki, as with other tricksters, was also known for being pushy.

    • theotherjimmyolson

      Sheesh, two guys in one thread who have never spoken to an atheist, but know all about them.

    • Jon

      Christians were murdered because they refused to pay homage to Caesar as god. There was a simple test, and Christian couldn’t pass it. The had to say Caesar is god. There is evidence form the time that not a single one would save their life and utter those words. Burned, eaten by lions, crucified.
      What amazes me is that compared to that faith we modern Christian are cowards. Bring out the ACLU and we run. Call us bigots and homophobes and we hide and stop spreading the Word.
      My Christian friends lament the corrosion they see in society, but I know it is our fault. We watch TV, and immerse ourselves in materialist pleasure and the world goes to hell. We are the Light of the world and we have let it go on a steep descent into darkness.

      • theotherjimmyolson

        Well, we can agree, and the most obvious example of materialistic excess is the celebration of the birth of Christ in America today. Of course, atheists are not responsible for that excess, are they? It appears you have not been paying too much attention, but the world today is light years improved from a moral point of view than even two hundred years ago. And this progress in morality has been an entirely secular achievement, brought about despite the screaming and kicking of various “sacred” interests.

  • Brian Westley

    Well, Penn and Teller are atheists, so…

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