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Fact Check: is Lewiston, Maine riddled with Crime since Somali Immigrants Came to Town?

When I listen to people talk about the most “dangerous” places to live in Maine, the city of Lewiston constantly comes up. You wouldn’t want to live in Lewiston, people tell me. All the Somalis have made Lewiston a dangerous place to live, they say. You can see these kind of remarks online, too:

Madeleine, October 2012:

"Hey Happy Somali. Your Kinsman are behaving like entitled jerks. Why?

Do you think it's OKAY to come here to the USA and get away with lawlessness?... When your kinsmen come here, the quote of "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT" applies. So show some respect. Stop your kinsmen from attacking old ladies and bringing in gangs to fight with the natives in Lewiston and Auburn.

Stop your kinsmen from sex trafficking and other illegal and evil crimes."

Feces Peces, Augusta 2012:

"Lewiston used to be a beautiful place in synch with the rest of Maine. Now that some putrid trash libs imported these people Lewiston is a crime ridden run? down dump. I wish I could put into words the utter disdain we have for liberal fecal matter. I just can't think of a strong enough word to label vile pig liberals with."

DrewciferFSA, October 2012:

"I grew up in downtown Lewiston from 1982 until 2003, it's been a dump as far as I can remember. From what I've seen? when I go back to visit, the Somali's certainly didn't help.
It seemed to go from just poor alcoholics to a more violent type. Glad I'm 1400 miles away now."

Ancient Legacy, February 2011:

"Somali refugees completely fucked up Maine.
Instead of assimilating into maine and into the american way of life, they brought their crime, gangs, bad habits, and disgusting behavior to? maine.
They've made lewiston into a "little Somalia" basically turning it into a shit hole.
Fuck you somali's go back to your damn country, stop fucking ours up."

Stuff Black People Don’t Like, September 2012:

Lawrence Auster made mention of the importation of crime to Lewiston that came with the “Great Somali Wave of 2002″ back in an entry at View from the Right in 2009. Well, CNS News (CNSNEWS.com) published a hard-hitting article on July 25, 2012 that dared to expose the importation of “crime that normally only Black people in America will commit” courtesy of Somali refugee…

Is this all true? Has Lewiston, Maine descended into crime because of the influx of Somali immigrants?

It’s time for a fact check.

Lewiston, Maine is almost a perfect test case for this sort of claim because the history of Somali immigration is recent and well-documented: the very first Somali family moved to the city of Lewiston in 2001, and having recommended the city to other Somalis, triggered an influx soon afterward (on this point, see Andrew Cullen’s history of Somali immigration to Lewiston in the Kennebec Sun Journal). 2001 is the clear date marking Lewiston before Somalis and Lewiston after Somalis.

If the presence of Somali immigrants led to high crime rates, then crime report data from the FBI (here and here)should show the crime rate in Lewiston rising from a lower pre-2001 level to a higher post-2001 level.

Here’s the data, courtesy of the Uniform Crime Reports:

Violent Crime in Lewiston is lower since Somalis immigrated.

Violent crime in Lewiston is actually lower than average since the arrival of Somali immigrants.

Property Crime in Lewiston is down since Somalis arrived.

Property crime in Lewiston is actually lower than average since the arrival of Somali immigrants.

Reality doesn’t support the racist delusion of a Somali crime wave in Lewiston. It’s a shame that reality hasn’t stopped people from spreading race-based tall tales of danger.

100 comments to Fact Check: is Lewiston, Maine riddled with Crime since Somali Immigrants Came to Town?

  • manning120

    Anti-immigrant bigotry exists everywhere. Down where I live in South Texas, there’s a proposal to have DNA analysis done of the remains of persons found dead without adequate identification in areas known to be used by people from south of the U.S. border, generally Hispanics, who come here without legal sanction, usually being brought by human traffickers, and died during their journey toward where they intended to work. The DNA evidence would be used to identify the deceased so that relatives could find out they died. When a newspaper article about this appeared in Corpus Christi, the same type of bigoted comments (although not quite as vitriolic as the ones in Maine) appeared. Basically, those writers said the people who died were “scum” and, instead of identifying them, their remains should be summarily destroyed or put in boxes and shipped back where they came from (of course, no one would know where they came from if they couldn’t be identified). This type of bigotry was manifested even though more than 50% of the population in South Texas is of Hispanic origin.

  • Bill

    When we moved from our old home in the north (a city with 217 murders last year) to our current home in the South near a comparably sized city (yet only 26 murders last year), my new neighbor was just trying to be helpful when he warned me never to go into the city at night because “the blacks take over and kill anything that moves.” Ah. Uh-huh.

    The great thing about bigotry is that it’s self-validating, because believing is seeing.

  • Terry

    The problem is with media, they report all the Somali crimes so it seems as though they are the ones increasing crime in the city. The current goal of media is to incite a race war, what do you expect?

  • Joshua Jackson

    Haha, hate to burst your bubble but u need to read your charts again. Crime rates steadily increased. Then dropped off a little back to where it was when they first showed up. And property crime only went down because there wasnt any crap to steal from themselves. And if you look at the end of your pretty chart property crime spiked once the gov’t funding kicked in and they all went and bought crap with our tax money. So to say the least… you cant foolc me. And if anyone believes this retoric go down to Lewiston and see for yourself!

    • Jim Cook

      The data don’t reveal anything like that, Joshua. What you’ve created is an after-the-fact story that is consistent with your pre-existing bigotry.

  • Benjamin Holmes

    Firstly I am not racist or bigot and I do have some Somalian friends. With that being said I have lived in the Lewiston/Auburn area for a combined 7 years (2+5) to the present day. I lived here as a teenager and now as an adult. In middle school and high school the Somalian students kept to their groups but after school I was often attacked by them on my walk home. Not just the boys either a girl slapped me in the face because she doesn’t like stupid white boys. I never even spoke to her before that. I was just walking by. I was at least harassed at the very least by different groups. After freshman year of high schooI moved to my dads in northern maine. After college I moved back to lewiston got a job and had a family. My eldest boy was jumped by four Somalian boys who “hate white n******s” they choked him punched him and threw sand in his eyes. We called the police who basically did nothing but release the Somalian boys to their parents. That violent crime won’t show up on your statistics. Plus this wasn’t the only time my kids were hit. Since then my family has been a target of many aggressions. I have had a brick in my wind shield, my tires cut, keyed, sand in my gas, stolen bicycles, a break in, and death threats. We have moved twice already. His old classroom had 30-50% Somalian children and even the teachers admit they have a hard time. The old bus driver told me there isn’t a thing he can do so instead we drive our kids to school. They tell my kids constantly that Jesus is dead and he is satan etc. I got my boy into a private school to avoid more violence he goes to Saint Doms. I am not alone there are other parents and neighbors with similar concerns. I have called the police so many times and we talk and I hear of awful things happening all over. A few years ago a few of the shops on Lisbon st near the library had signs saying “No Whites Allowed”. Look it up in our local newspaper the Sun Journal. Of course not all Somalians are this way, one of my neighbor’s now are Somalian and they take good care of their children and are respectful. They keep a clean home and my boy and theirs are friends. I would say that overall lewiston auburn is not a great place to live. After I am able to move my business else where I will.

    • Jim Cook

      No, actually, Benjamin, that assault would show up in the police statistics, because the Uniform Crime Reports deal with occurrences, not arrests or convictions. Consider:
      1. It’s awful that your family has been assaulted by Somalis.
      2. It’s also just as awful that other families in Lewiston have been assaulted by non-Somalis.
      3. It is also true that since Somalis moved to Lewiston, the crime rate has gone down, not up. These three statements can all be simultaneously true.

      • Benjamin Holmes

        Here try this link http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Lewiston-Maine.html it shows how crime rate has increased. The crime rate goes from 104 to 178 to 130 as it has increased. These appear to be the same data points in the graph above.

        • Jim Cook

          Benjamin,

          No, it doesn’t show anything of the sort.

          First of all, the crime rate as displayed on that page goes DOWN from 319.5 in 2001, the year that Somalis started arriving in Lewiston, to 2012, the latest available year with crime rate data.

          Second of all, that crime rate data doesn’t go well back in time to the decades before Somalis started arriving in Lewiston. Full Uniform Crime Reports data (on which city-data.com bases its graph) going back to 1985 shows that Lewiston had a far higher crime rate in the years before Somalis started to arrive.

  • walter

    Bull

    Where non white immigrants come in droves so does the crime . Africans especially are racist towards whites.
    You libturds have screwed up Maine.

  • Average Joe

    Sorry Jim Cook but you’re not entirely right when you say crime did not go up since the mass immigration of Somalis into Lewiston began. The fact is violent crime did go up, property crime did dip down somewhat in the previous decade but has since risen back up in the last several years to just under it’s pre 2001 rates. While property crime is terrible it’s violent crime that has much more serious consequences for society. The above posted city data link shows that violent crime per 100,000 rose drastically during the first year of Somali immigration from 104.2 in 2000 when there were no Somalis to 141.6 in 2001 the first year of Somali immigration. Violent crime then rose throughout the decade reaching a high in 2007, then declined slightly in the latter part of the decade, however overall violent crime is up since the first Somalis came to Lewsiton particularly robberies from 28 in 2000 to 43 in 2012. The data doesn’t give a racial breakdown of perpetrators but I would almost guarantee that Somalis are overrepresented in the ranks of perpetrators. There have been many proven problems with Somali immigration, from gangs and members of the community seeking to join the ranks of terrorists groups to an over reliance on welfare and other social welfare programs that work to the detriment of the struggling American poor and the taxpayer. Anyone who advocates increased Somali immigration is an obvious fool.

    • You’re cherrypicking what came before, “Average Joe,” to just 2000. If you look at the long-term average before 2001, you’ll see non-Somali Lewiston had big, big crime problems, much bigger than Lewiston now.

      Look at this update, which bears out the truth that Lewiston, Maine had a much bigger crime problem BEFORE Somali immigrants arrived in town than it has had SINCE Somali immigrants came to town: http://irregulartimes.com/2014/11/18/did-somali-immigrants-really-plunge-lewiston-maine-into-crime-fact-check-says/ . You just can’t argue with the numbers.

      • Average Joe

        There has been a general decrease in crime countrywide since the 1980s and 90s for a variety of reasons. The end of the “crack era”, police departments using complain statistics to target higher crime areas and even from one study the legalization of abortion in the early 70s have all contributed to declining crime rates nationwide. However as I’ve pointed out that decline has been arrested and violent crime rates have even risen in Lewiston Maine during the decade of mass Somali immigration demonstrating at the very least a correlation between Somalis and crime. There have been numerous Somali American suicide bombers overseas and in 2013 the federal government was looking at possible ties between Al Shabab militants in Somalia and Kenya and the Somali American community in Maine. There are even documented ties from Somali street gangs in Portland to the Boston bomber brothers. As I ve stated the existence of criminal and terrorist Somali American gangs is well documented. Check out this linked LA times article for more info. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boston-bombing-gun-20140513-story.html

  • Average Joe

    There has been a general decrease in crime countrywide since the 1980s and 90s for a variety of reasons. The end of the “crack era”, police departments using complain statistics to target higher crime areas and even from one study the legalization of abortion in the early 70s have all contributed to declining crime rates nationwide. However as I’ve pointed out that decline has been arrested and violent crime rates have even risen in Lewiston Maine during the decade of mass Somali immigration demonstrating at the very least a correlation between Somalis and crime. There have been numerous Somali American suicide bombers overseas and in 2013 the federal government was looking at possible ties between Al Shabab militants in Somalia and Kenya and the Somali American community in Maine. There are even documented ties from Somali street gangs in Portland to the Boston bomber brothers. As I ve stated the existence of criminal and terrorist Somali American gangs is well documented. Check out this linked LA times article for more info. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boston-bombing-gun-20140513-story.html

    • Jim Cook

      With all due respect, that has got to be the shiftiest argumentation I’ve read in some time. I notice you’re not even talking about Somali immigrants in Lewiston any more. You’re talking about Somali immigrants in a different American city, and then you’re talking about people in Somalia in Africa.

      • Average Joe

        1) I specifically mentioned the Somali American community in Maine which really only exists in Lewiston and to a lesser extent Portland. I made no mention of other Somali American communities in Columbus Ohio or Minnesota although they have the same high violent crime rates and sky high rates of public assistance as the community in Maine. 2) Calling my argument “shitty” does not refute it. I noticed you didn’t even comment on the LA Times article which mentions the existence of Somali street gangs in Maine with terrorist ties. You have also failed to explain why Lewiston bucked the nationwide trend of declining violent crime rates during the decade of Somali immigration. Look at the city of Los Angeles for example during the same decade, it has shown a consistent drop in violent crime from the year 2000 as has the nation as a whole, Lewiston on the other hand has not, it’s violent crime rate dropped until the year 2000 then it rose during the past decade to where it has since stayed. There is a correlation between Somali immigration in Lewiston Maine and violent crime, it’s that simple.

        • Jim Cook

          I didn’t call it “shitty.” I called it “shifty,” as in a shift. You have shifted observations from Lewiston, Maine to all sorts of other places, cherry-picking observations to fit your preconceptions.

          But if you’re going to shift, at least get it right. Crime in Minneapolis is DOWN, not UP, since Somali immigrants came to town: http://irregulartimes.com/2014/11/23/are-the-racists-right-is-minneapolis-more-violent-since-somali-immigrants-arrived/

          If the existence of an article noting that Somali-American criminals exist proves Somali Americans are awful, then the existence of an article noting that white criminals exist proves that white Americans are awful. Neither is true. Both are examples of cherry-picking relying on confirmation bias. If you go looking for examples of Somalis who commit crimes, congratulations, you’ll find them, because members of every group commit crimes. If you go looking for examples of whites who commit crimes, congratulations, you’ll find them, too. Since the arrival of Somalis, the crime rate has not increased. It just hasn’t. Period.

          I encourage everyone to go to UCRdatatool.gov to verify that the Lewiston property crime rate is down between 2001, the year Somali immigrants began to arrive, and 2012, the last year available in the dataset. The Lewiston violent crime rate is the same in 2001 and 2012. Both rates are FAR lower than the rates of the 1980s and 1990s, when Lewiston was lily white. Over the same period, the violent crime rate in next-door Augusta, Maine — which does NOT have a significant Somali population — has doubled, and the property crime rate has gone up by over 20%. By your logic, this would mean that white people are a menace. The violent crime rate in Bangor, Maine has gone up during the period too, and there aren’t a significant number of Somali immigrants there. Oh, those evil White people again! Biddeford, Maine has seen crime rates boom during the same period. No big Somali immigration there. My goodness, by your logic, the crackers are out to get my children! Waterville, Maine (no significant Somali immigration) has seen violent crime rates triple during the same period while property crime rates have risen by about 10%. Waterville is only 1.1% Black/African-American according to the latest available Census figures (factfinder.census.gov). It’s 94% White. Is the Whiteness of the Watervillians making them Watervillains?

          Or does all that not count because it doesn’t fit your cherrypicking?

          • Jim Cook

            Crime rates are down in Columbus Ohio, too, over the period in which Somali immigrants came to the city. The population of Somali immigrants compared to the population of Columbus overall is a drop in the bucket.

            It’s funny you should mention Columbus, Ohio. I lived in Columbus for a few years, right in the heart of the city. I taught chess to school-kids, including my son, who went to school with the Somali immigrants. I remember beautiful, kind, open-hearted people.

  • Nick Toto

    Dude I don’t give a rats ass what statistics say. I live in auburn and am from Portland. This place is a sewer. Lewiston is close to a third world country. You can read all the data you want but until you go walk down those streets I don’t want to hear it. The place is a sewer. It’s never been a great area and now we have freeloaders and drunks and drug addicts making it worse then ever.

  • New Lewiston Resident

    Hey Jim, Thanks for this website. I’m going to be moving to Lewiston in a few months. I want to stay anonymous, so I’d rather not explain what field I’m in, but essentially I had a choice between richer, nicer, but less diverse cities across the country and Lewiston with it’s Somali population. I chose Lewiston because of it’s diversity (and it’s proximity to Portland and Montreal, to be fair). But so many people I speak to love to take a crap on Lewiston. I’m sure it has it’s issues, but I also saw this trend on City Data and being a data driven person, I couldn’t explain why people are talking so negatively about this city. If you compare it to other cities in Maine, it’s 4th or 5th or something like that, and Maine as a state has some of the lowest crime rates in the country. I hate to call the Lewiston haters racist, but the data do not support this conclusion that it’s this third world place with super high crime, so I really am left scratching my head. Maybe I will find out more when I move there, but in any case, it’s nice to see people like yourself offering a more objective analysis…

    • chad kinney

      Lewiston downtown has actually seen a resurgence of new businesses especially in the old Bates Mill complex. They have made and continue to make remarkable improvements to the infrastructure. In 2007 Lewiston was named an all american city which only one other city has that distinction, Auburn!! L/A is one of only a few cities in Maine that has seen any significant economic growth in the past 4 years and continues to this day. Yes, the downtown Lisbon street buildings needs to be refurbished, but try to remember a lot of these buildings are over 100 years old. The suburbs of Lewiston are just as safe or safer than any comparable sized city in Maine and are beautifully maintained for the most part. Bates college has grown tremendously in the last 10 years and is one of the finest little Ivy schools in the nation. Portland people seem to be the ones commenting on L/A’s shortfalls because Lewistons population has increased by 10% since 2010 and with the possible collaboration with incorporating Auburn and Lewiston into one city it could become the most populated in Maine and Portland doesn’t want to loose that status. I love L/A and always will.

  • Charlie Cameron

    I am in a classroom everyday at a school with 30% ELL students (English Language Learners)in Lewiston, Maine. AND I grew up in Lewiston, now 52 years of age. I can tell you first hand there has been a shameful change in the community. Even at the elementary level parents are afraid to send their kids to school for fear of them being beaten up or worse. I would not live in that community, and don’t feel comfortable when I have to go into downtown Lewiston around the Superintendent’s office, (near Kennedy park). Back in the day the Franco Americans used to work and live in this community. They were the backbone of Lewiston Auburn, working in the shoe shops and owned the Mom and Pop stores. Everyone knew each other and you couldn’t get away with much. We had party lines, everyone spoke French…ahhh, those were the days.

    • Charlie Cameron

      The data doesn’t show the heart and soul of what the community was…or is. Talk to people who live there. It is a depressed, dangerous place to live, comparatively to the rest of Maine.

    • Jim Cook

      Charlie,

      In 1985, when you were a youngster in Lewiston, before Somalis began to immigrate, the violent crime rate stood at 553.8 violent crimes per year per 100,000 population. The property crime rate stood at 7,262.9 property crimes per year per 100,000 population.

      In 2013, the most recent year for which data is available, the violent crime rate stood at 244.4 violent crimes per year per 100,000 population. That’s less than half the 1985 rate. The property crime rate stood at 3,341.3 property crimes per year per 100,000 population. That’s less than half the 1985 rate.

      Source: FBI Crime in the United States reports.

      You’re right that the data describing actual trends don’t reflect your heart and soul. You might want to examine the latter.

      • M. Acheson

        Jim,

        Just a couple of food for thought questions for you. If an individual is assaulted in Lewiston by a Somali but (a) doesn’t report it to police, (b) reports it to their school but the school handles it internally without engaging police, or (c) reports it to police but declines to make a statement out of fear for reprisal, would any of those situations appear in the crime data you’ve cited? I personally know a couple of folks in Lewiston and Portland who have been victimized by Somalian and Sudanese immigrants but did not report it because they weren’t grievous offenses and they didn’t want anyone to have the perception that they were racist or anti-immigrant.

        I think we can all agree that Mogadishu Somali is an extremely violent and dangerous place. Is it reasonable to assume that first generation immigrants who were born and raised in a place where people routinely killed each other for food and where young women’s vagina’s were sewn up to prevent pre-marital sex (Pharaonic circumcision) could potentially bring some of those experiences and social mores with them to their new home?

        I’ve spent a considerable amount of time in Portland and Lewiston for work and have built up a body of first hand experiences that lead me to believe that the Somali immigrants integration with those communities have not been terribly successful, and that racial violence, bullying, and a lack of respect for women are just a few of the outcomes. I’m certainly not prepared to dispute the crime data you’ve provided because the numbers are what they are, but can you at least admit that perhaps there is more going on in terms of racial, cultural, and religious friction than these numbers suggest?

        Matthew

        • frank

          Jim believes that miracles happen and third world savages/medieval cultures can turn in few years into 21st century people!!

        • Jim Cook

          M, thanks for writing. I will grant that it is possible that hidden data that no one has collected would, possibly, contradict data that has been collected. But given the human capacity toward confirmation bias, I am inclined to grant more credit to collected data than to anecdotes or references to unconfirmed possibilities. Any anecdote we obtain comes from an unavoidably limited view… And that goes for my anecdotal experience, too.

  • Charles Manning

    It’s clear that most if not all who take issue with the statistics believe that Somalis are inferior to whites with respect to inherent traits that cause involvement with the criminal justice system. I strongly disagree.

    Belief among non-Somalis that Somalis are inferior makes it harder for Somalis to avoid involvement in our criminal justice system: they must be more likely to be suspected of crime, more likely to be arrested, less able to make bail, less able to hire competent legal counsel, and likely to be judged in court by person who deem them inferior. Additionally, Somalis undoubtedly are less wealthy than non-Somalis, because, among other things, their ancestors had less wealth to pass on to them; because they entered Maine society less well educated than non-Somalis and encountered language barriers; and because on average, as immigrants, they’re younger than non-Somalis in the U.S.

    I suspect that arrest, conviction, and incarceration rates among Somalis, like those of Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans everywhere in the U.S., are higher because of circumstances like those I’ve mentioned, not inherent racial or ethnic traits. The higher rates among Somalis could exist despite the general decline in crime you’ve properly cited. Many of the commenters seem to be taking issue not with your argument that the overall crime rate is lower, but with the perception – which is understandable, but not logical – that you’re claiming there’s a low crime rate among Somalis.

    If my suspicion about the crime rate for Somalis is correct, increased awareness among non-Somalis of why the higher rates occur among Somalis would make it more likely that institutional changes could be brought about to enable Somalis, like other immigrant groups, to become more like the non-Somali population with respect to involvement in the criminal justice system. So I hope you’ll look at whether there is indeed a Somali/non-Somali disparity, with respect both to involvement in the criminal justice system and to causative factors like those I’ve mentioned. You could present that evidence to your readers, along with suggestions for institutional changes to deal with the problem constructively. On the other hand, if the involvement of Somalis in the criminal justice system is equal to or less than the involvement of other groups, that fact certainly needs to be publicized.

  • John Blackman

    Go to Maine Medical Center, place is flooded with them! Housekeeping Dept. Go into your room and steal anything not nailed down, parking attendants rifle through your car, get it backed stripped. Had my car back end dented in, didn’t see it until I got home. MMC allows them to pray when the urge strikes them, walk down hallways all you see are Somali butts in the air, like an obstacle course, every other employee has scheduled breaks, they can take 20 minute prayer breaks whenever God talks to them or when they don’t feel like working which ever comes first!
    Portland has a program that they will ” cosign” a car loan up to $8500 for them. They are truly a scurge on what used to be Maine. Hope they change the sign at the border to ” THE WAY LIFE USED TO BE”!

  • Tony

    I live in Ohio, home to roughly 30,000+ people of Somali origin, and I can attest to the problems that they cause in the face of belligerance and failure to acclimate. My question to Maine residents is, why don’t you use force when faced with it? I carry a .45 at all times and have never had to use it, but if I was assaulted by punks then I wouldn’t hesitate to us pull it from the holster. One one occasion, 3 Somali youths attempted to rob me at gunpoint thinking I would just wilt under fear… WRONG! I beat one of them senseless and the others just ran away in fear. Needless to say, they are cowards who anticipate people not reacting with force. Start protecting yourselves e.g. mace, stun guns, bats, or guns, do whatever it takes to make your posture apparent. Here in Ohio, the Somalis mainly victimize each other, which is quite fine by us because it’s like a disease irradicating itself! Good luck to you guys up there in the great Atlantic Northeast!

    • Tony,

      The last place I lived before moved to Maine in 2009 was in the inner city of Columbus, in the neighborhoods where a number of beautiful Somali people also lived (Columbus has the second-largest Somali population in the country after Minneapolis, according to this Ohio public safety document: http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/HLS0075.pdf ). While no one would deny that there surely must be some Somali immigrants who have committed crimes, since members of all cultural groups commit crimes, crime statistics for Columbus — http://ucrdatatool.gov/ — show a decrease in the crime rate since Somali arrival.

      • Charles Manning

        It seems no one took seriously my March 14 comment. Obviously there’s bigotry and hypocrisy in play. But has anyone examined the crime rate among Somalis to see if it’s higher than the overall crime rate in the various cities mentioned in this thread? The most solid proof that your critics are wrong would be if the rate of criminal involvement among Somalis is equal to or lower than the overall average.

        • Jim Cook

          Charles,

          Hi. I did read your earlier comment, and think it’s a great idea in the abstract. Unfortunately, crime reports do not include systematic observation of national origin, so that data just can’t be gathered from existing sources.

          • Charles Manning

            I think there’s evidence that among blacks in general, the involvement in the criminal justice system is much higher than the overall average, or among whites. Even conservatives are beginning to recognize that this is one of the great challenges of our time. Surely someone could compare blacks in general to Somalis.

  • Tenor

    Wow, a report scrawls a homemade graph so we “know” the troof !!

  • Destiny

    Since the somalis have moved into Auburn all my friends and family have been getting jumped and im personally getting pretty sick of it. I cant walk out the door with out one cat calling me or trying to touch me. Its rediculous and unnessecary. If they came to our country and were let in they should have some respect for us because we were kind enough to allow them to come here. Im not racist. I hate everyone equally but this shit is not needed. I should beable to feel safe in my own community. Its hard enough being called a faggot or an emo kid let along having people come up and grab your ass for no reason but to be a pervert. I think it needs to be rethought and if they arnt going to respect what we as americans have built then they should go back..

    • Amanda

      I agree. I was happy for them when they got a chance at a new life, but soon learned what kind of drama they were adding to the drama that was already in Lewiston. I have been groped and grabbed myself. I’m disgusted.

  • Amanda

    Just do yourself a favor and avoid Lewiston. The racism and bigotry sucks, and being attacked and almost raped by Somalis sucks and made me leave. Lewiston is not a a good place. I grew up just across the river and I don’t ever want to live there again. Years of crime and drugs everywhere may be for some of you, but I don’t want my children to go through what I did.

  • Finn

    Wow, I’m from Europe (Finland) and Somalis aren’t that popular here either for the same reasons they’re taking flak in Lewiston. Even here Somalis are recognized as the most stubborn, demanding and self-entitled immigrant group.

    In Finland citizenship is mentioned in some statistics, so we can gather data and compare how certain immigrant groups fare here. Somalis especially are over-represented in certain statistics: perpetrators of rape (12 times more likely to be a Somali), murder, violent assault, gang violence (gangs target especially Finns), welfare dependency, unemployment (75 % for men, 86 % for women in 2014 study), etc. Note that some Somalis have Finnish citizenship, so they are counted in the statistics as “Finns”.

    The statistics in Finland and in Europe are pretty consistent. I don’t understand people calling others “racists” and “bigots” for just pointing out that this is not favorable development for the country or community and that there are clear differences in how different immigration groups manage to integrate into the society.

    It’s not about how different people look, it is more about the culture (Somalis are Muslims and nomads), for example Nepalese and Chinese in Finland are almost always employed, although they don’t look Finnish at all. Somalis on the other hand keep their women under the veil and outside the society. Men themselves, as nomads usually, don’t work unless they have to. They let the cattle graze the area while sitting around chewing khat-leaves. When the cattle has grazed the area bare, they move to the next region. It’s just that this time the cattle is their big families and grazing areas are the welfare structures in the western world. This is what actually happened as I understand that Somalis were first settled near Atlanta. They didn’t come all the way to Lewiston to work, but to graze.

    Good luck with your new citizens, but whatever you do, don’t try to accommodate or placate them, because then there will be no end to it. We’ve seen where it leads in Finland, because clearly nothing is enough for a Somali and if something is wrong with their life, they think it is community’s responsibility to fix their life.

  • frank

    Jim Cook is one of the multitude of people that think importing third world cultures is great for this Nation, in spite of the facts that they add absolutely nothing to the community and go straight on welfare, causing more poverty and straining public finances. The graph and data show clearly that crime violent crime, went up, after a downward trend, but for sone reason he refuses to see it, just like liberals in general refuse to see the problem in the black neighborhoods. Recently, Baltimore was a tragic example. The reason behind the resettlement of backward cultures in our Country has nothing to do with diversity, but more to do with the larger issue of voting. They, like the millions of illegals, will be more prone to vote for Democrats. That was the intended consequence of the immigration reform act during the Kennedy years. Was well thought .. With a purpose. Calling it “racism” or “bigotry”, without having the discussion we need to have sbout benefits, social conflicts, economic impact denotes simply stupidity and intellectual dishonesty. We are slowly transforming America into a third world shit hole. Pure and simple truth.

    • Actually, the graph and data show clearly that the average crime rate in Lewiston before Somalis immigrated was higher than after they immigrated, Frank. What’s also clear is your equation of a culture other than yours with “shit hole.”

      • frank

        Which Graph are you looking at? LOL. Look better that goes up again from 2001. Besides there is a larger stat about the “benefit’ of having imported third world population. Welfare, crime, and MANY are joining ISIS. One single crime from an immigrant, not supposed to be here, is one too many!! Fantastic! What did happen to the promise of taking immigrants with “skills” and “high educational attainments’? Mystery. That’s all wee have been hoping for years: third world uneducated poor…that once get here go straight on welfare!!!! We never had these “homegrown” Islamic fanatics in the US…and people like you want more! Great!! on the :shit hole” note..what would you call Somalia? The cradle of civilization? Are you on heavy drugs?

        • Jim Cook

          Look before 2001. In the 1980s and 1990s, long before anyone of Somali descent moved to Lewiston, the city had a much higher crime rate.

          • Charles Manning

            Jim Coodk — You guys have my sympathy. Looks like the people I probably should call bigots (but I’m too polite to call them that) will never be convinced. But how many Somalis have come on here to let us know what they think? Do they have someone analogous to MLK who can clear things up? MLK explained the plight of blacks who were mostly descendants of slaves in this country, which resulted in at least a significant number of whites realizing that the problem originates outside the skins of the oppressed.

            • frank

              read my comment to Jim “Crook”…idiot..

              • Charles Manning

                (My apology to Jim Cook for the typo in spelling his name.) Frank, I agree with you in one respect. The overall statistics seem irrefutable, but there’s at least an argument that the Somalis as a group have a greater involvement with the legal system (detentions, arrests, prosecutions, etc.) than whites. Somalis are blacks, and unfortunately we don’t have statistics – at least none that I’ve seen – proving that they do or don’t have a higher involvement than non-Somali blacks. I contend that even if Somalis and blacks in general are the same, the problem isn’t with inherent racial characteristics, but at least to some extent originates in actions taken by those who have controlled and continue to control our country, who are almost exclusively white, to oppress people of color. I don’t believe, and I challenge you to prove, that a Somali newborn is less capable than a white newborn of becoming a loving, caring, intelligent, patriotic citizen of the U.S. I’m willing to look at how adult Somalis might have been adversely affected by circumstances in which they grew up.

              • frank

                Challenge accepted..and i am going to have fun. Here we are again with this “white privilege” obsession, which has no basis or evidence whatsoever. Please EXPLAIN ME how “white privilege” or “white oppression” impeded you from being successful, going to school, get a job, college etc. I am curious. Please provide some examples of “white oppression” that we have now in 2015 America or Europe. Last time i walked around I didn’t see any blacks in chains or with collars or in plantations being whipped or forced into slave labor. Last time i checked millions of dollars have been spent for years in “minority” neighborhoods with miserable results. Last time checked, EVERY major city with a minority majority was/is, by all measures, an hotbed of crime, corruption, inefficiency. From Detroit to Baltimore through New Orleans and so on, please, tell me how is “white oppression” at fault for it. EXPLAIN ME how white oppression voted the first (incompetent) black President in US history. You would agree that without the white votes we would have never had that incompetent idiot in the WH. More over, EXPLAIN ME how’s possible that 98% of blacks voted en masse for Obama. If that is not “tribal” voting..i don’t know what it is: doesn’t matter who is in the WH as long is black!!! Explain me, why is that every single Nation in Africa has received and still getting food aid and billions in foreign aid and, decades have passed, they are still shit holes. ONE EXAMPLE?Explain me how South Africa, once economically stable ad thriving, once taken over by the indigenous people..turned into a hell hole (just like Zimbabwe did years back). AND this is the bigger picture in regards to Africans in general! You said is not inherent to race…i say is inherent to a culture which roots back in Africa, where civilization is still at the beginning. White oppression? Just laughing my ass off..PROVE IT!! Do you now of any other Government system that is better than what we have know? SHOW IT TO ME! I will also tell you why there are no official statistics of the Government on how immigrants affect communities, crime rate etc. Because they don’t want to provide them,and probably is not collected at all!! BUT, the Govt can tell you how many color tv’s are in households ..or how many times a week we eat meat!! Funny ain’t it? Doesn’t take a genius to understand that IF you place people from primitive cultures into a 2015 civilization…you have a disaster. It’s like placing a toddler in an airplane cockpit and have him to fly it. Total nonsense! They do not assimilate, they do not learn our laws, and do not care. Consequently we have honor killings, female genitalia mutilations and all the other good things o fa barbaric culture, not to mention the Islamic ones. AND we don’t even make them learn English, not to be insensitive. Apply the same to other immigrants, un-vetted, unskilled, uneducated, repeat. If this is not an attempt to plunge America into a third world hell hole.

              • ttwith

                Those who control are almost 99%Jewish (Middle eastern) Not White.

              • Charles Manning

                “Please EXPLAIN ME how ‘white privilege’ or ‘white oppression’ impeded you from being successful, going to school, get a job, college etc.”

                Just the opposite, Frank. “White privilege” allowed me to get college degrees and employment. I’m an elderly white man who got all the benefits of a middle-class upbringing in “white” America.

                The proof that blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are oppressed in this country is the statistical comparisons of how well off they are compared to people like me. By virtually any measure of success in life, those groups come up short: income, wealth, educational achievement, involvement in the criminal justice system, education, family integrity, environmental quality, access to medical care, health, length of life, participation in prestigious occupations, and access to lawyers from their own groups. The only possible exceptions are achievement as players in sports (which I attribute to that being one of the few occupations open to minorities without discrimination), and length of life of Hispanics.

                Even if one grants that some forms of overt discrimination in the past no longer occur, the lingering effects of discrimination are obvious, and appear to have become worse in recent years. If you believe systemic racism, and its continuing effects, don’t account for the racial and ethnic disparities in the U.S., your only explanation has to be that Blacks, Native Americans, and Hispanics aren’t born with the inherent human qualities white people are born with. That’s pure racism, spoken or unspoken.

              • frank

                Mr.Manning, white man. EXPLAIN ME how “white privilege” helped get you into college. Did you go over a black candidate because of your skin color? You had all the “privileges”? What privilege did you get that your parents or yourself didn’t deserve because of hard work and study? Are you on drugs Mr. Manning? At an old age is not an healthy things to do. The proof that you mention is not a proof of discrimination!! OMG. It just shows that they underperform given the same identical condition of opportunities!! A “proof” would be the “denial” of that opportunity because of race!! Are you listening to your nonsense? If they come short in anything how is that a proof? That you just say it..doesn’t mean it is one! That, is not evidence!!! If other races are behind whites in school achievements how’s that your fault.? Did you prevent hem from going to school? If they go to jail…did you force them into one? Did you force minorities to commit crimes, white man? “Lingering effects of discrimination”? Give me ONE example of this lingering effect! ONE..how that works? Explain us!!!. Companies race against one another to hire minorities!! State, Federal and local governments are full of programs for “minorities”, from schooling to hiring practices!! Are you fucking kidding me? They can’t pass entrance tests they even lower the standards!!! Disgraceful!! Systemic racism is a “word” that is out there that has no basis whatsoever. It’s a genetic fault? Possible!1 Definitely it’s a cultural fault because the only thing that white idiots like yourself have done for this people is to make them believe that that they can’t make it by themselves. They need “some help”, would it be affirmative action or other “programs”. THAT is racism…in the face of “equality”…gtfoh!!

              • Charles Manning

                “If other races are behind whites in school achievements how’s that your fault.? Did you prevent hem from going to school? If they go to jail…did you force them into one? Did you force minorities to commit crimes, white man?”

                It’s my fault if I don’t do something to change the effects of discrimination that continue to keep non-whites down, relative to whites. If you’re white, you should realize what I’m saying, although your somewhat slipshod way of talking/writing makes me think you didn’t receive the kind of benefits I got from being white.

                Re-read my comments. And yes, I do believe appropriate affirmative action is called for, although exactly what that should be is open to debate.

              • frank

                Again, making comments without evidence. Let’s try one more time: give an example of how your whiteness discriminated any minority or an example on how the white system is oppressing minorities. . If you feel such about yourself, with no evident facts, then empty your bank account and give all of your money to an “oppressed” minority! Purge your sins!! Lol. But you don’t have examples, evidence.. Nothing. Tell you some pal, i work for a living, two jobs. My whiteness didn’t help me but hard work did snd i still struggle. Why? Because of my iwn fault.. Didn’t pursue higher education. Personal responsibility, if you have an idea if what it is. And i don’t blame others. The way you think is disgraceful and with no facts whatsover. I have been repeatedly ask you for examples and you haven’t been able to provide me one. What else can i say.

              • frank

                One more thought: affirmative action IS racist and basically tells minorities that they are inferior and they need a leg up in everything they do. Makes people not to work hard, like everyone else, in order to achieve a goal. If this in your twisted mind is justice and equal… Then you deserve to be called names. This is exactly the racism that minorities have fought decades ago… Just reversed.

              • Charles Manning

                Frank, you say, “[G]ive an example of how your whiteness discriminated any minority or an example on how the white system is oppressing minorities. . . . I have been repeatedly ask you for examples and you haven’t been able to provide me one.”

                I think I cited examples: “By virtually any measure of success in life, those groups come up short: income, wealth, educational achievement, involvement in the criminal justice system, education, family integrity, environmental quality, access to medical care, health, length of life, participation in prestigious occupations, and access to lawyers from their own groups.” I don’t know what would be an example of how my “whiteness” discriminated against anyone. It’s society in general, or specific people, who discriminate, not a racial characteristic like “whiteness.”

                What bothers me about your claims is the underlining implication that people who aren’t of your race, which I assume is white, are inherently inferior to people of your race. In other words, you refuse to recognize that any of the laws, rules, customs, attitudes, etc. of the ruling class in this country could be responsible for the examples I stated.

                The kindest thing I can say about how this country oppresses certain groups is that other nations and societies have done the same, or worse, all through history. That in no way excuses continuing oppression in this country.

                Your rhetoric demonstrates that your refusal to recognize reality leaves you feeling very frustrated. Please accept my condolences.

              • frank

                ..that’s evidence according to you…LMAO. “Society in general”…that means you don’t have none. Are you reading yourself? “the ruling class, the system, the laws” are responsible for the “examples” which you DID NOT PROVIDE. I think Alzheimer is kicking in old man!! Answer the other question: are you giving your wealth, acquired because of your whiteness, away to minorities, oppressed by your whiteness? Because if you are not..then you are an hypocrite. On the argument “people that are not my race..”…well, how do you define Africa and every Black run city in the US? A success? What about Latin America..what about Asia? Can you define a model of society that is superior, more functional, just and equal than the ones founded/created by people of my and your race? Please tell me an example in the world that we can follow, where everyone lives in harmony and there is no discrimination or oppression, like you call it. If you don’t have one, and you don’t, ..then i guess you just have to shut up. Rest my case…

              • Charles Manning

                Frank, my examples are valid, but Jim Cook also gave some at http://irregulartimes.com/2015/06/04/as-bill-oreilly-denies-white-privilege-frank-demands-evidence-of-racial-discrimination-here-it-is/. I’ve done plenty to help minorities, at considerable cost. I believe some European nations are “superior, more functional, just and equal” than the U.S. However, as I said, the U.S. doesn’t have a monopoly when it comes to discrimination against people of color.

                Don’t know if you’re for real, but your thinking is close to that of many of my relatives (living or dead), so I’m taking it seriously.

              • frank

                Which European Nation is more “equal” please tell me?The bankrupt Europe is about to fall, the Euro system is a failure. Health insurance for everyone is a money pit and ..the waves of uncivilized barbarians is plunging Europe into a Muslim hell hole. Did you miss the Charlie Hebdo shooting in France? And they have 6-7 millions if them..ready for Jihad, unassimilated and shariah craving. Are you missing the continuous provocation of extremist groups in Britain, which takes in millions of these backward barbarians, headed by this terrorist-friendly Anjem Choudari dude? You have no idea on how dark the future of civilization is, blinded by this “hate” for your own people and for what they have accomplished after centuries of struggles. Unfortunately, like i said, we won’t be able to see how this insane progressive ideas will lead to civil unrest. We are just beginning to see the signs.

              • Jim Cook

                Frank, see http://stats.oecd.org/ for systematic comparison of European countries to the United States, and you’ll find that in a number of measures of quality of life a number of European countries are doing better than the U.S..

          • frank

            I looked before 2001 and the crime was up years before, went down, Somalis moved in..went up again. Nice gain Lewiston!!Do you know how to read a damn graph? Why wold you accept a group of people with a backward culture that has nothing to do whatsoever in the civilized world? Again, just like most of the third world immigrants, they ended up on welfare and taking up resources…my TAX MONEY. Like we didn’t have enough problems with illegal immigration!! This is insanity. Period. And to the other idiot, Charles Manning, bigots? LOL. If not bigots you can use the liberal favorite word needed to shut down discussion, when you have no argument: racist!! Please explain what Somalis have to do with MLK! Now every black in Africa is entitled to come here in the US because of some MLK connection…really? So should we import third world INTO the united States and turn our Nation into a shit hole, just like Africa is? Are you out of your mind? Explain the last paragraph…doesn’t mean absolutely nothing..in English. LOL

            • J Clifford

              Frank, it seems that the town of Lewiston, Maine is engaged in what anthropologist Grant McCracken refers to as ‘displaced meaning’. The residents like to maintain a certain set of idealized perceptions about themselves and their values, but can’t maintain them in the present, so they ascribe them to a better time in the past, when everything was lovely. Oh, if it weren’t for those Somalis, they say, everything here would be perfect.

              This isn’t a rational assessment of history. It’s a way of avoiding a difficult reassessment of the cultural identitty of Lewiston, Maine when it doesn’t match certain disturbing facts.

              The fact, as you’ve clearly shown, is that Lewiston had big problems with crime long before Somali immigrants showed up. Residents like Frank can’t blame the Somalis for Lewiston’s long history of violent crime, because they need to past to be a Pleasantville.

            • Jim Cook

              1. It only went up for one of two crime statistics, and only slightly, and to levels nowhere near where they averaged before 2001, when Lewiston had no Somalis, and by 2011 was back down to where the crime rate was in 2001.

              2. The other crime statistic, which you utterly ignore, shows an unconditional decline since 2001.

              3 Both crime statistics show that the average crime rate is lower in the period since Somalis began to move to Lewiston than in the period before Somalis began to move to Lewiston.

              • frank

                You just don’t get it don’t you. The US “refugee” resettlement programs is a miserable failure. Placing third world backward cultures in the US has not worked and the communities are burdened with cost related to welfare and other “social” bs. Even the Mayor of Lewiston had to beg not to have more of these savages moving into his town. That’s a fact. These refugees…go on welfare. Look at the single crimes unit on city data, look at the data on assaults, robberies. But Lewiston is a small town…the percentage of “savages” is small compared to the rest of he population, thank God. Look at the largest groups of Somalis or ay other group of refugees: they all go on welfare milking the system with ZERO contribution to society. We continue on the path to the THIRD WORLD and you people just don’t get it. Now we want to resettle how many Syrians? And then we complain about “Americans” joining ISIS (what Americans?). Disgraceful. Guess 9/11, the Boston Marathon, Charlie Hebdo didn’t teach you people anything. Geniuses.

              • Jim Cook

                People said the same thing about the Irish and the “Polacks” a century ago. A century and a half ago, just down the road in the Maine town of Bath, a crowd burned a Catholic church to keep those scum away from the Real Americans.

                You know what you know, you judge how you judge, and it’s clear I’m not going to change your mind. But consider that you stand in a long line of people who have rejected newcomers as “savages.”

              • frank

                You fail to recognize that few decades later all the European were perfectly integrated into the American society. We have yet to integrate blacks…listen to your nonsense! Are you listening to the news mr Cook? The latest from Boston where, again, cultural enrichment was going to behead police officers. You people are insane. We are importing barbaric behavior that root back into medieval times and comparing those to Europeans that had an homogeneous development throughout history is pure ignorance! I judge based on facts and facts are right there in front of your eyes: race and religious conflicts. I suggest you take a look at the British news ad read the continuous enrichment that immigrants have brought to the UK. Have you been missing the Charlie Hebdo cultural diverse massacre? You guys have no idea of what these policies are doing to America and Europe. You’ll find that out when the next civil war will break out….

              • frank

                We agree to disagree on the conflicts that Lewiston is experiencing and the graph on violent crime, which you can’t absolutely read. Besides there is no data that the Govt provide on immigrant’s crime rates. You also should look at the largest Somali refugees groups in Minnesota, where clearly conflicts are a much bigger problem. You also fail to mention the failure of a program that allows people to go straight on welfare. Add the fact that most of these groups have individuals joining the Jihad..from the inside the US..you tell me where the good deal is. Just would like to know about this “enrichment”. Instead of taking engineers and doctors like Australia and New Zealand do..we take the ignorant, uneducated. Hell of a fucking deal. Keep being stupid white man…one day you will wake the fuck up.

              • J Clifford

                Frank, accusing another person of being unable to read a simple graph isn’t aggreeing to disagree. It’s being rude.

                You promised to substantiate your claims, but now you’re admitting that there isn’t any data to back them up. Accusing other people of being ignorant and uneducated when you can’t make an intelligent, fact-based argument to support your assertions won’t do.

                You’ve spent a lot of time covering your lack of evidence with the bluster of insults. Has it occurred to you that the negative reactions you get from people in your neighborhood isn’t because some of your neighbors are Somalis, but because you’re rude?

              • frank

                There is nio data provided by the government, but if you read news about Lewiston and the problems that their citizens are having with the cultural enriching community of Islamuc barbarians, yoy can guess why the trend goes up a little. The crime has been going down but even one more crime committed by one person that shouldn’t be here is one too many. Rude? I guess you mean “hate to hear the truth”. If liberals would care about the Country and fellow Americans as mush as they care about people that shouldn’t be here at all…we would be in a much better shape. We don’t have enough poor and people that struggle in America… we need more, and from backward cultures. Great thinking geniuses.

              • Jim Cook

                And there we have it. “The crime rate has been going down.” Thank you for acknowledging this truth. The rest of what you write is hearsay.

              • frank

                I meant in general, you moron. From the pre 2000 has been kept down with a slight spike up after that, but not at the levels of pre 2000! Good Lord! It is true that we don’t know for sure if the slight spike is due to immigrants.. But the data available on the 100000+ Somalis refugees probably explains it. Their resettlement has been a clear failure (US census Bureau) . Again, bringing medieval minded people in the 2015 America, or Europe, has been, predictably, a mess. They can’t read and write , low skilled, straight on welfare. More. Difficulties in assimilation, which is no longer required (apparently we have to assimilate to immigrant cultures now) and let’s not forget the surge of Mosques and attached Islamic radicalism, and crime, female mutilation. Why don’t you comment on that!!! Again, even few crimes, because of unnecessary immigration, are few too many. The fundamental question here is the incompatibility of cultures. Thanks to people like you and Manning in the Government , we are increasing the number of poor and creating immigrants ghettos. Congratulations! You achieved the so called “diversity”!! Happy?

              • frank

                You and the likes like you fail to understand that trying to assimilate barbaric cultures to our Western values on pedophilia, women rights, human trafficking etc doesn’t happen in a month or two or even in a generation! Do you understand the concept of why we call these countries the “Third world” ? If you do then what makes you think that Third World will adapt to America or Europe with the snap of a finger and without conflicts? Tell you this, these people understand quick on how stupid we are and take advantage of our welfare quite rapidly! They learn quick on how to use at their advantage concepts like “prejudice” and “racism”. Remember the Abu Kassim Jeilani case? Somali refugee.. Oops.. Waving a machete while walking in the streets? He was shot and killed by the police after being tazered a dozen times and still assaulting the officers with the weapon. Guess what happened after.The grievance industry, in the name of new add ons kike The Somali Justice advocacy center, the Somali resources aid associates and the Confederation of Somali Community . Guess what they did? SCREAMING CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION!! (REALLY?) They denounced the shooting claiming that “we are taxpayers” (??? Half not working and the other half on low wages paying zero.. Lol). I’ll spare you stories of honor killing, femal mutilation. Just don’t be more ridiculous than what you already are folks…

              • frank

                No insults, btw. Just unerlining the stupidity. And evidence? Are you denying that our refugees go straight on welfare and , especially in the Islamic community, many become, or are already, radicalized? May be you need to look more at the news pal.

              • Jim Cook

                Frank, I have looked at the crime rates in Minnesota. See here — http://irregulartimes.com/2015/01/31/after-somali-immigrants-arrived-in-minneapolis-did-crime-change-differently-than-in-other-minnesota-cities-fact-check/ . They also fail to support your prejudice.

  • Jim Cook

    Frank, you asked for evidence of white privilege and discrimination against black people in the United States. Here it is: http://irregulartimes.com/2015/06/04/as-bill-oreilly-denies-white-privilege-frank-demands-evidence-of-racial-discrimination-here-it-is/

  • Maine crumbling

    Lewiston is a nightmare. 4 white teen girls were raped last month by Somolians, and the media won’t touch it.

    • frank

      You know what Jim Cook should do? Sell his nice house in his probably safe neighborhood and move to the Somali side of Lewiston to get a taste of diversity.. Wonder why liberals talk, talk and don’t walk the walk..

      • Jim Cook

        Frank, I’ve lived plenty of places in my life, including places with high crime rates. When I lived in Columbus, my son went to public school with the children of Somali immigrants. You’re right that I don’t live in Lewiston, although I have visited Lewiston multiple times. Fortunately, the discussion at hand does not hinge on personality — not mine, not yours. It hinges on crime statistics.

        • frank

          …..people from Lewiston and any other place complain and where they moved in large numbers there is conflict.. Trying to turn 3rd world populations into 2015 civilized, human right lovers and law abiding citizens, doesn’t work and it never will. Dearborn it’s another example, among the others, of liberal failed policies. Immigration is out control, bureaucracy and corruption flourishes under these policies, and money fills the pocket of so called “civil right” groups and “sympathetic” politicians. Vote merchants, immigration pimps, taxpayers money wasted…it’s the Eldorado for some people in Wahington DC and a nightmare for us, common citizens. Fact.

          • Jim Cook

            You’re telling me what’s inside your head. No offense, but what’s inside your head and what can be observed in the world outside your head are not necessarily the same thing. That’s why this discussion does not hinge on what’s inside your head, or what’s inside my head. It hinges on crime statistics.

            • frank

              That’s the real world mr. Cook. The world of people going on welfare..the world of the Charlie Hebdo..the world of the Bostin Marathon bombing..9/11…refugees joining ISIS…spreading Jihadist teaching from inside our nations. These are REAL mr. Snowhite..i don’t know which world YOU live in. Time to wake the fuck up.

              • Jim Cook

                In the real world, you are thousands of times more likely to kill yourself with a coronary from eating too many hamburgers. Go find yourself some cause-of-death stats for some useful perspecting. The Centers for Disease Control is a good source.

              • frank

                In the real world i don;t need a=other add-ons that will kill me! What is it that you do not understand mr>cok. Don’ we have enough problem within our Nation? Do we need to import more. Are you really that stupid? If you like the 3rd world that much why don’t you pack you shit and move in one of those shit holes?

  • GrimmTale

    @Jim Cook – You don’t think Somali’s drive a car, take the bus, or ride a bicycle? Because that’s what you’re saying if you believe HIGH spikes in close neighboring towns which have witnessed crime rates doubling or higher since the Somali injection but, ignore that – this crime spike is NOT the result of this injection. Let’s be real here – if there’s nothing in a poverty stricken town to steal, mug, rob, assault – you go to the next town which has affluent (or anything better than in your own town) residents. It’s something anyone with any sense of logic can figure out. Beautiful Maine is falling victim to the effects of wayward immigration, and it will be too late before anything is done to save her. Pity really.

  • frank

    Phone keyboard..sorry

  • frank

    what is that you don’t understand about third world and backward failed cultures not being obviously compatible with the West mr.Cook? It is obvious that attempt of some politicians to flood the Nation with voters that will elect the same people in perpetuity. The poorer and less educated ..the better!

  • sunshine

    If you love the Somalis so much, then move into their neighborhood, spend time with them, and really immerse yourself in their rich and vibrant culture. Nah…you won’t do that. You’ll just whine about racism because how DARE Americans have a negative opinion about foreigners? Maybe if we had been consulted on whether or not we wanted to import millions of violent, incompatible foreigners, this might go a little more smoothly. But nobody asked us, and now we are being FORCED to foot the bill for our replacements, the people that are gladly destroying American culture and American people. Yes, that means WHITE CHRISTIANS. I AM a racist and am not ashamed of it. I learned that from all this vibrant diversity because it all hates white people.

    If you want to donate your money to these people, go ahead. But when other Americans are being forced, while actual Americans are wanting, it’s disgusting and YOU should be ashamed of yourself and your anti-white hatred. You can hate yourself and whites, but you will NOT browbeat and attempt to shame the rest of us into hating ourselves, and our ancestors. You should be ashamed, you and your ilk make me want to vomit. Here’s hoping you get all the diversity you can stomach, scumbag.

    • frank

      It’s a fact that the forced immigration of Somali refugees has resulted to be a failure, hogh unemployment, welfare and hundreds joining Isis. When, will liberals wake the fuck up and quit flooding the Nation with primitive, backward failed cultures? Thus obsession of liberalism, dut to mostly an insane “white” guilt and false “progressivism” is ruining our Western civilizations, from Europe to North America.

    • Jim Cook

      It is not hatred of whites to point out that crime rates have gone down, not up, since immigrants from Somalia moved to Lewiston.

      • Charles Manning

        Jim Cook, I appreciate your letting folks like frank and sunshine write on your site. Although I often wonder if they’re real people. Anyway, you guys are not only willing to say what needs to be said, but to stand up in a civilized way to outrageous criticism. Keep it up!

        • frank

          I am very real mr. Manning. Sometimes i wonder if you are for real. Its a fact that overall crime rates in the US have gone down. It’s true and a fact also that crime is still a problem in the minority communities and denying is just flat out idiotic. It’s true that the experiment of reintegration og 100k Somalis has failed, plenty of data on the Minnesota disaster. Lewiston is a small drop in the ocean of bs. You guys are as blind as a President that speaks out about a fake police brutality ckaim, speaks out in defense of criminal behavior like..Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, Eric Garner etc…pardons drug dealers, doesn’t want to say ” Islamic Terrorism” …and says ZERO word on Kate Steinle murder..takes 5 days to lower a flag after the murder of 5 servicemen…while takes few hours to disgracefully rainbow color the White House. At least have the decency of some objectivity folks. On the comments of ” letting me write on your blog”..at least you haven’t scraped off the 1st amendment from the page…

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