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FOX: If We Can’t Force Our Morality Upon Others’ Personal Lives, it Must Mean We’re Being Persecuted

“Reporter” Todd Starnes of FOX News has issued his prediction for the fallout from yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling that because of the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution, conservative Christians can’t continue to prevent other people from exercising their own freedom to marry:

“Churches and faith-based business should prepare for lawsuits and government investigations. Pastors who refuse to perform gay marriages and preach from the Bible should prepare for hate crime charges. All dissent will be silenced by the government and the activists.”

This statement says more about Todd Starnes than it does about the reality of the situation.  Just as churches have maintained the absolute right to refuse to perform inter-faith weddings or inter-racial weddings (yes, refusals to perform inter-racial weddings still happen in American churches), so too they will maintain the absolute right to refuse to perform same-sex weddings if they choose.  As for pastors being charged with hate crimes for preaching from the Bible, I can’t find a single report of this.  Finally, if “all dissent is to be silenced by the government,” how did Todd Starnes’ column slip by the censors?

No, Starnes isn’t speaking from a perspective of objective reality.  But he is speaking from a perspective of personal psychological reality.  In his personal psychological world, Starnes holds on to a cherished reality in which his personal beliefs can and should be used as a basis to keep others from living their lives as they’d like.  Starnes has lived for 47 years inside the bubble of this particular personal reality, and so he seemingly can’t imagine that, once unshackled, the people who’s freedom he’s strained to squash won’t try to squash him right back.  Starnes can’t or won’t see the possibility of living his life freely and letting others live their lives freely too.  Starnes can’t see the other way of living that the marriage equality movement has successfully forged.

Of course, I live inside my own perception of reality, too.  I could be deluded.  Todd Starnes could be right. We’ll see who’s right.  Let’s check back in six months and see whether pastors who refuse to perform gay marriages or preach from the Bible are charged with a crime.  Let’s check back in six months and see whether all dissent has been silenced by the government.

What do you think we’ll find in six months’ time?

9 thoughts on “FOX: If We Can’t Force Our Morality Upon Others’ Personal Lives, it Must Mean We’re Being Persecuted”

  1. frank says:

    ..Probably you want to read the SCOTUS ruling and the argument that the four dissenting judges put forward, especially Clarence Thomas, which explains Todd Starnes position.
    Just trying to help…

    1. J Clifford says:

      Probably you don’t want to read the Fourteenth Amendment, which is exceptionally clear.

      1. ella says:

        frank:

        “Amendment XIV … “Section 5.

        The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

        Just in case you want to read it now.

        1. J Clifford says:

          It’s within section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

          1. ella says:

            in response to J. Clifford

            “frank: “Amendment XIV … “Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv Just in case you want to read it now.”

            “It’s within section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.””

            Did the Congress enact legislation concerning “…the provisions of this article”? Did the Supreme Court?

  2. ella says:

    “Churches and faith-based business should prepare for lawsuits and government investigations. Pastors who refuse to perform gay marriages and preach from the Bible should prepare for hate crime charges. All dissent will be silenced by the government and the activists.””

    1.) I think we will find those who still want to squash any resistance to Atheism, fighting in courts to completely re-write the Bible and consequently most Books of the major religions, throughout the world.
    2.) Anti-Christian sentiment is rife within their hearts. The evangelical Anti-Christian movement has won a major victory by taking former Christians and turning them to anti-family groupings authorized by the American Judicial system, a world leading system.
    That is what was expected, among other things.
    3.) But as for the Bible being re-written, it already has been, many times. Today the ‘interpretations’ of the original writing is barely discernible from a different religion, and some ‘churches’ have adopted the altered form. That too is expected. There are still people who try to follow the original teachings and as well as those who try to follow what is written today.
    4.) If intervention does not occur, the Socialist/Democratic Party in power will further the cause. Congress has continued to give him more power to do so and the national judicial system is re-writing the Constitution for political purposes.

    1. J Clifford says:

      Ella, WHO is “fighting” in the courts to rewrite the Bible?

      First of all, if you fight in a courtroom, they have you removed in handcuffs.

      Second, name the courtroom. Name the case in which atheists have filed a lawsuit to force a rewriting of the Bible.

      Third, “atheism” isn’t capitalized because it isn’t a proper noun. It isn’t a single established set of ideas.

      Fourth, show me where an “anti-family grouping” has been authorized by the American judicial system. In what court case have “anti-family groupings” been authorized?

      Fifth, which clause of the Constitution has been rewritten this week? Can you show me what wording has been changed?

      Where on Earth are you getting your information, Ella?!?

  3. Tom says:

    It’s all myth – we’re only telling stories to ourselves. It’s all made up stuff – including science.

    We’re under some gross misconception that we’re a good species, going somewhere important, and that at the last minute we’ll correct our errors and God will smile on us. It’s delusion.

    Farley Mowat

    The Earth doesn’t care. We had our chance like every other species, and will follow them into oblivion.

  4. ella says:

    1.) The Constitution does not authorize the Supreme Court to adjudicate personal lifestyles within the general population. It wasn’t “re-written” in fact, just in interpretation. “Equal protection” under the law, does not mean that personal social choices can be adjudicated. If that is so, then what other personal social choices can be adjudicated? I won’t give any examples on that.
    2.) The anti-family comment was in reference to a comment made by one of the celebrants in front of the court steps, shouting something like the government can no longer force people into families. You can look that up.
    3.) Atheism is an established very old belief, there is no God or gods. But the capitalization was for emphasis. It has been growing with various court decisions, through what I will call evangelical intent, to remove mandatory prayer from public schools, all religious articles from government building and property, including schools, and didn’t someone try to have “In God We Trust” removed from American currency, yet another court case. It has been going on in courts for over 50 years.
    4.) “Fighting” in court rooms is normally verbal, but I assume you were being humorous there.
    5.) Many people were made happy today because they now can live their lifestyles publicly, freely and enjoy all of the benefits that affords. It was made possible (mainly) by one man whose story is now very publicized.
    6.) It hasn’t happened yet, but if Christian churches are required to marry homosexual persons (applicant #1 and applicant #2, as listed on application in Georgia now), the Bible will have to be re-written as it is not permitted under Biblical law.

    Does that clarify what I was saying? Tom, a lot of people believe it is all a myth and if we do follow the many species into oblivion, certainly we have created the circumstances in which to do so. But not to worry, there are plenty of breeding pairs left throughout the world.

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