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Where Do Westerners Pick Up Terrorist Ideology?

shooter games for iphone“Why would Muslims born, raised and educated in the West gravitate towards extremism?” asks Adam Deen in The Telegraph.

Yes, wherever would people in the United States and Europe pick up a crazy ideology that tells them they can just go around shooting people?

How could people in the peace-loving West become convinced that it’s okay to go around killing people in order to gain power?

I just can’t understand what they’re thinking!

It must be some kind of foreign propaganda.

The mosques. Yes, that’s it. It must be the mosques.

If only we got rid of the mosques, we wouldn’t have any more problems with shooters.

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6 thoughts on “Where Do Westerners Pick Up Terrorist Ideology?”

  1. Charles Manning says:

    “[P]eople in the peace-loving West become convinced that it’s okay to go around killing people” because they are convinced by ISIL ideology. That goes, to put it briefly: a war is beginning that was prophesied by Muhammad or the Koran to be the prelude to the establishment of the world-wide Isamic caliphate that will replace all corrupt human governments with a divine government that will bring permanent peace and happiness to all who accept the teachings of Muhammad. This war, which will be started by violence against the “Romans” (the West) that provokes them into attacking ISIL, will result in the loss of multitudes of Islamic followers, who will find their place in paradise if they die in the war as fighters for ISIL or victims of the Romans. If one dies in that cause, one goes immediately to paradise instead of having to wait for the war to come to its inevitable conclusion — the defeat of the Romans. Those who survive the war will be forever grateful to those who gave their lives for the cause.

    You have to understand that the broad outlines of this ideology are very similar to Christian eschatology before you can understand that followers of ISIL are just like anyone else. The best way to fight against this ideology is to let everybody know it’s totally ridiculous. There’s no paradise, there’s no Allah who’s seeing that the martyrs get transported to paradise, there’s no inevitable victory for the forces of ISIL. Christians are reluctant to disparage the ideology because it so closely resembles Christian eschatology. In other words, how they they argue against ISIL’s ideological underpinnings if they (Christians) believe in the Second Coming of Christ? Some even think the current war is the prelude to the Second Coming and is therefore to be welcomed.

    1. Charles Manning says:

      Correction: “In other words, how can they argue against ISIL’s ideological underpinnings . . .”

  2. Leroy says:

    I would say that about the only thing that would be changed by the ISIS leaders would be their use of “Crusaders” rather than “Roman” or “Greeks” – which in the early days of Islam generally meant Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire rather than Rome and the basically already collapsed Western Roman Empire.

    Islam’s next brush with a “Roman Empire” aside from Byzantine would be later with the Holy Roman Empire.

    Islamic eschatology is believed to be the final assessment of humanity by God (Allah), consisting of the annihilation of all life, resurrection and judgment. “The 75th Sura of the Qur’an, ‘al-Qiyama’, has as its main subject the resurrection. Its tribulation is also described in the hadith, and commentaries of Islamic expositors such as al-Ghazali, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Majah, al-Bukhari, and Ibn Khuzaymah. The Day of Judgment is also known as the Day of Reckoning, the Last Day and or the Hour.The hadith describe the end time with more specificity than the Qur’an, describing the events of al-Qiyamah through twelve major signs. At the time of judgment, terrible corruption and chaos will rule. The Mahdi will be sent and with the help of ‘Isa’, will battle Masih ad-Dajjal. They will triumph, liberating Islam from cruelty, and this will be followed by a time of serenity with people living true to religious values… Like other Abrahamic religions, Islam also teaches resurrection of the dead, a final tribulation and eternal division of the righteous and wicked… ”

    Who is this “Isa”?

    “Isa Ibn Maryam (English: Jesus, son of Mary), or Jesus in the New Testament, is considered to be a Messenger of God and al-Masih (the Messiah) in Islam who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā’īl) with a new scripture. The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam. This is reflected in the fact that he is clearly a significant figure in the Quran, appearing in 93 ayaat (or verses) with various titles attached, with Moses appearing 136 times and Abraham 69 times. The Quran states that Jesus was born a ‘pure boy’ to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God the Creator (Arabic: Allah) which follows the belief of the prophetic message in the Old Testament passage Isaiah 7:14…” I found it also interesting that supposedly the Quran makes more references to the Virgin Mary than does the Bible!

    “To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing various ailments like blindness, raising the dead to life, casting out demons, etc.) which no other prophet in Islam has ever been credited with, all according to God’s will. According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means. This view disagrees with the foundation of the Gospel. Instead, the Quran says “God raised him unto Himself,” which happens to agree with the Gospel message of Isa ascending into heaven.”

    “Muslims believe that Jesus will return to earth near the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal (“the false messiah”, also known as the Antichrist). Jesus will not return as a new prophet; Muhammad was the final prophet, but will continue from where he left off at the time of his ascension. He will live for another forty years before dying a natural death.”

    But then ISIS and al Qaeda, etcetera, never mention that part!

    Just the dastardly part about the Crusaders (who also had quite a bit of blood on their hands).

    1. Charles Manning says:

      Leroy, I’m perplexed by the complexity. Do you think ISIL believers have such a detailed understanding? And what do you make of my basic point: that all this is fatuous fantasy, and “extremist” followers of ISIL aren’t that different from fundamentalist Christians (it’s as if both are driving cars, but different models)?

    2. Charles Manning says:

      The regular Times has an article about this today: What do you think? Why has our leadership been so slow to grasp these ideas? Is it because the rich and powerful know that fighting ISIL will make them richer and more powerful, but without significant risk of military defeat?

  3. Tom says:

    ISIS was conjured up by the CIA and is funded and armed by the U.S. Since we all know that this agency has been rogue since its inception, the ideology of barbarism and havoc stems from it. We’re the terrorists and most of the world knows it. As a matter of fact we’re doing Israel’s dirty work for them.

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