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Why Americans Need To Own More Guns

Yesterday, Michael John Morey of Rowland Heights, California shot and killed his wife and two others. Morey kept a large collection of guns in his house, but it wasn’t a person with a gun who ended the shooting spree. Instead, Morey was physically wrestled into submission. His gun was taken from him, and then he was shot to death. The killing started as an argument over a washing machine.

Earlier over the holiday season, a police dispatcher in St. Cloud, Minnesota grabbed a gun and shot and killed her own daughter. The mother was sure that her house had been broken into, and couldn’t see clearly in the dark.

On Friday, a man was hanging out with friends at the Dallas Omni Hotel when one of them picked up a handgun and accidentally triggered it, shooting him in the torso and sending him to the hospital.

this home doesn't call 911 gun ownerJust before New Year’s Eve in DeKalb County, Georgia, two teenage boys found a handgun and were playing with it when the gun went off, sending out a bullet that blew off one of their faces.

At about the same time, a Winston-Salem police recruit was at home with his wife, enjoying the afterglow of Christmas. While cleaning his own private gun, the weapon fired, shooting a bullet through his wife’s abdomen.

On the very same day in Altus, Oklahoma, a man was carrying a gun at the same time as he was trying to tie his dog up to a fence. He shot and killed himself.

Shortly after Christmas in Rancho Cucamonga, California, a 17 year-old boy was handling a gun he had recently inherited. The gun fired. The boy shot himself in the head.

On Christmas Eve in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, a teenage girl was shot through the face and died by a relative who was trying to unload a rifle in the next room.

A few days earlier in Southwest Miami, a man decided to clean his gun while chatting with a friend on Facetime. The gun discharged, and the man shot himself to death while his friend watched over the Internet.

At least 265 Americans were shot dead by children playing with guns in 2015.

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15 thoughts on “Why Americans Need To Own More Guns”

  1. Charles Manning says:

    Where are the national news stories about these deaths? What about stories concerning the personal facts of the deceased and their survivors? Why don’t reporters for the national media interview the grieving relatives? Where are reports about the funerals?

    1. Charles Manning says:

      I think I know. These stories don’t encourage people to buy guns and ammo.

  2. Leroy says:

    First of all, let’s deal with FACTS and not stretched assumptions.

    The Washington Post article States:

    “At least 265 children under the age of 18 picked up a firearm and accidentally shot themselves or someone else with it in 2015, according to numbers compiled by the gun control advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety. That works out to about five accidental shootings by children each week this year. Of those, 83 ended in death…”

    And not:

    “At least 265 Americans were shot dead by children playing with guns in 2015”

    Correct?

    Now that we have that corrected, I am not sure what can be done any further with that issue other than tightening up restrictions and loopholes. Anything else is going to require a Constitutional Amendment and the polling figures are simply no where near what would be required.

    This after all is an issue that involves a Constitutional Amendment.

    Now let’s take a children’s issue that does not involve a Constitutional Amendment. It involves simply more advanced and universal healthcare.

    Horrifyingly we rank 58th in the world with Infant Mortality Rates with 5.87 per 1000 birth (we are sandwiched in between Serbia with a rate of 6.05 and Croatia with a rate of 5.77). Cuba is 13 places ahead of us with 4.63…. CUBA!!!

    Monaco (1.82) is the best, followed by Iceland (2.06) and Japan (2.08, virtual tie), then a tie by Norway, Singapore, and Bermuda (2.48). BERMUDA!!!

    France is 10th with 3.28 (Italy at 3.29 and Spain at 3.30 are virtual ties).

    Think of that. With roughly 4,000,000 births per year (just over 3.9 million), that results in about 23,400 infant (birth to age 5) deaths in the United States. If we could simply equal the rate of Spain at a rate of 3.30, our infant deaths would drop to 13,200 deaths…. an improvement of over 10,000 infants surviving every year.

    So, like with the impropriety of scare tactics with Muslim terrorist attacks, crazed illegal immigrant criminal gangs and hateful Blacks gunning down Whites by the gazillions, let’s take into consideration ALL the realities of deaths by firearms.

    1. What are the real facts (how many guns are owned in the United States, what proportion are used criminally or negligently that results in death, etcetera).

    2. What REALISTIC actions can be taken in the light of recent Supreme Court decisions (Haller, etcetera) in this area?

    3. What REALISTIC possibilities exist (as based on factual data) of being able to get a new Constitutional Amendment going – much less ratified?

    4. Ask ourselves deep down whether this is a personal bias type thing and we are doing the same thing with scare tactics that we accuse others of?

    5. If devoting a conserted effort in an issue such as greatly publicizing the Infant Mortality rates that could possibly have a chance of actually gaining traction might be a better strategy?

    1. Leroy says:

      From a draft paper of an ongoing study:

      “Most striking,” they write, “the US has similar neonatal mortality but a substantial disadvantage in postneonatal mortality” compared to Austria and Finland, etcetera. In other words, mortality rates among infants in their first days and weeks of life are similar across all three countries. But as infants get older, a mortality gap opens between the U.S. and the other countries, and widens considerably.

      Digging deeper into these numbers, Oster and her colleagues found that the higher U.S. mortality rates are due “entirely, or almost entirely, to high mortality among less advantaged groups.” To put it bluntly, babies born to poor moms in the U.S. are significantly more likely to die in their first year than babies born to wealthier moms.

      fact, infant mortality rates among wealthy Americans are similar to the mortality rates among wealthy Fins and Austrians. The difference is that in Finland and Austria, poor babies are nearly as likely to survive their first years as wealthy ones. In the U.S. – land of opportunity – that is starkly not the case: “there is tremendous inequality in the US, with lower education groups, unmarried and African-American women having much higher infant mortality rates,” the authors conclude.

      …Research like this drives home the notion that economic debates in this country – about inequality, poverty, healthcare – aren’t just policy abstractions. There are real lives at stake.”

      1. Charles Manning says:

        Leroy, your comments about deaths related to deficiencies in medical care are fine, but you’re missing Peregrin Wood’s point. We lose an average of 88 dead, and I don’t know how many hundred injured, daily because of gun violence. While that’s a far cry from the unnecessary infant mortality you cite, and lots of other avoidable causes of death, the bad consequences of gun violence are two-fold, at least. First, the deaths and injuries are worth notice, if not on par with many other curable causes of death. Second, the dance between the gun industry and the media persuades millions of Americans to unnecessarily purchase guns, which also results in more business for ammunition manufacturers, shooting ranges, and gun shows. I say unnecessarily because the instances in which a private citizen with a gun prevents a crime are an insignificant fraction of the 88 or so daily killed. I would like to see the statistics on how often privately owned guns prevent crime. America is awash in guns, but a bad guy with a gun is almost never stopped from doing a lot of damage by a good guy with a gun. Most people – like me – don’t want to have to carry guns around, both because of the cost and because of the necessity for using great care due to their inherently dangerous nature. I also find it ludicrous for 2nd Amendment proponents to argue that self-defense is the purpose of the Amendment. Few deny that convicted criminals, children, and mentally ill or deficient persons shouldn’t have guns. What about the self-defense rights of these people? Minority populations are unfairly affected by restrictions on gun ownership, because they have many more criminal convictions. Are there any other constitutional rights that are properly denied to so many citizens?

    2. Dave says:

      Leroy/Larry you’re making sense. The U.S. would actually be on a par with other western nations in infant mortality but for low birth weights and premature births among African American women. The CDC website has it all. African American infant mortality is 18.4 per 1000 live births, and this brings the overall mortality way up compared to similar countries. You framed this as an economic issue, but poor white women have much better numbers than blacks, and far fewer crack babies.

      But since the topic is guns, I think Peregrin missed an opportunity here to point out that children who get hold of unsecured guns and accidentally shoot their parents are actually helping to improve the gene pool.

    3. ella says:

      For once I totally agree with you. Gun ownership has little to do with death rates. What happens by accident, is not the deliberate acts that require gun control. The deliberate acts are, as as has been pointed out, sometimes due to unintentional homicide. A raging temper looking for an outlet grabs the nearest form of relief – and then regrets it for the rest of that persons life. Emotional murder.

      The cold blooded, pre-planned murders are perpetrated by people who can get weapons any time they want to and the gun laws will not stop them. Certain weapons needed to be taken off the market to prevent quick mass murders. Military weapons don’t belong in the hands of amateurs.

  3. Al Hopfmann says:

    Satire can be a valid type of commentary. But stupid satire is sophomoric.

    1. J Clifford says:

      Elephants are a type of mammal, but squirrels are small mammals.

      What’s your point, Al?

      What do you find stupid, exactly? Can you articulate what you disagree with, or are you going to leave it at the level of just saying, “That’s stupid,”?

  4. Quinton Underwood says:

    In any discussion it should be either oranges or apples. There is a lot of confusion here.
    The mortality rate of infants anywhere has nothing to do with wreck less and irresponsible weapons handling. FUNNY . . . . with all the mixing of apples and oranges I didn’t see anything about the carnage and deaths from texting, careless driving, and driving under the influence of alcohol, and cooking children and/or pets in a closed automobile with temperatures of 150 degrees. Maybe cars are off limits in this discussion.

    ” I make a living by what I get, I make a life by what I give ”

  5. J Clifford says:

    And here’s another instance: A “responsible gun owner” left his gun in the car with his toddler grandson, who proceeded to shoot himself in the face with it.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/05/fl-toddler-shoots-himself-in-the-face-after-responsible-gun-owner-leaves-weapon-in-truck-video/

  6. Charles Manning says:

    Peregrin Wood, I said at the beginning that the stories you (and now J Clifford) report aren’t making it into the national news because they don’t make people want to go out and buy guns. The recent publicity about the San Bernardino incident makes it abundantly clear that that tragedy led to a big spike in weapons purchases, whereas none of the stories you and J Clifford listed have that effect. No one else commenting on this thread seems to have noticed this.

    I also suggested that the number of infant deaths in the U.S. far exceeds the number of people dying from gunshot. Actually, while other causes of death are greater, deaths of infants don’t seem to be.

    I should have added that sensational shooting incidents like San Bernardino also greatly increase public concern about terrorism, which can lead to the expenditure of trillions of dollars in “defense” spending in the long run. But that’s a bit off of the thesis of your article, which concerns gun violence. 9/11 didn’t involve guns; San Barnardino would have added to the hysteria about terrorism even if bombs had been used instead of guns.

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