Irregular Times Diaries: Unfit Discussion
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Irregular Times Diaries: Unfit DiscussionIn a time of the spring, old paths are obscured and new growth begins.
Over at Pursuing Holiness, Laura cuts and pastes a piece of an IMAO post she admires:
Iran will talk, but they say they won’t give up their “nuclear rights.†What? First, it was a “right†to free healthcare and now it’s a “right†to nuclear missiles. Stupid liberals. They’re going to get us all nuked and then we’ll have to wait two weeks for a doctor to see us about our horrible radioactive mutations.
Oh, come on, Laura and IMAO. Name a real, honest-to-goodness “stupid liberal” who says that Iran has “a right to nuclear missiles.”
The leader of Iran, the man who is actually making this claim, is a religious conservative.
Pop quiz for Laura: who was the American president who distributed a big, whopping load of weapons to Muslim extremists? Was he a liberal?
These people are being really unreasonable, and it undercuts the moral authority they so highly prize.
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June 3rd, 2006 at 5:25 am
Jim, you’re killing me, bro. The post is a JOKE. The “(Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.)” should have tipped you off, if nothing else.
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:21 am
Laura, how do I put this briefly? Oh, I know!
NO. It’s not a joke.
The IMAO post contains news items that are not jokes (Batwoman is going to be played as a lesbian, etc.), and that are then followed up on by anti-liberal riffs, NOT jokes. It is your defense mechanism to call it a joke.
It’s like one of those FOX News “questions”: “Are liberals going to eat your children?” By asking the question, they get to suggest it, then when someone says it’s a stupd claim, they say “Hey, it was just a question! Lighten up!” Typical passive-aggressive conservatism. So is the “joke”: “stupid liberals want to grant Iran nuclear rights!” If you don’t confront it, people take it as true. If you do confront it and demonstrate it to be untrue, hell, it’s “just a joke!” Passive-agressive bullshit again.
The post makes fun of a “right to free health care” and socialized medicine, then spoofs “liberalism” (really socialism, get the terms straight) by drawing out a parallel. The quote on “nuclear rights” isn’t a joke, it’s a real quote, but not from a liberal — from a conservative. Ahmadinejad is a religious conservative. And that’s no joke.
Laura, you’re not answering my question. Who was that president, and was he a liberal?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Sorry to disagree with you, Jim. But wasn’t it Jimmy Carter’s bright idea to train and equip a force of extremist Islamic militants along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, so that they could indefinitely fight a guerilla war against a superpower? (The U.S.S.R. at the time, but how things change!)
Of course it was Reagan who really saw that policy through, then let Afghanistan go to crap and get taken over by the Taliban while everybody cheered about the collapse of Communism. Oh yes, and he supported Iraq while secretly selling weapons to Iran for money to buy Russian assault rifles to send to Nicaraguan rebels…
But never mind all that. Charming guy, Reagan. Great with the old one-liners.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Jimmy Carter wasn’t a liberal, either. He ran as a conservative Democrat.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pm
So it wasn’t just an honest mistake–Laura knew all along it wasn’t true.
Where I come from, we call this ‘bearing false witness’, breaking the ninth commandment, or sometimes we just call it a lie.
Sometimes it’s really interesting to see the difference between what people say and what people do. Over at the Pursuing Holiness website, they say they can “progress spiritually” if they “reduce sin” and “increase repentance.” But is that what they actually do? Of course not.
When Laura here was caught in a wee bit of false-witness-bearing, did she repent and try to ‘go and sin no more’? No way. She just said it was a joke. The theological implications for this are enormous. Just think, you’re caught with a dead body? A joke! Shoplifting? Ha, ha, ha. Adultry? Hey, things could really heat up over at that website. And if someone accuses you of taking the name of the Lord in vain, you can just say, “Jesus H. Christ! Haven’t you heard the one about Moses and the Ten Jokes?”