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Hear Tucker Carlson Speak For Yourself

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1. Iroquois Says:
   September 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pm

   If you can’t get that one to load, try this one:

   https://www.glaad.org/action/alerts_detail.php?id=4046

   Disturbing for a couple reasons. The two guys seem to be laughing at the other guy for having been ‘bothered’as a kid. What is funny about that?

   What about men’s rooms? Do you dare send unaccompanied children into men’s rooms? Is that a proper place to engage in adult sexual behaviour? Should gay groups speak out on that? At what age should a kid stop using the ladies room if he is with Mom?

2. Ralph Says:
   September 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

   What about men’s rooms?

   I think it’s got a lot to do with the fact that lots of gay men are still in the closet, still ashamed, anonymous, and secretive about their sexuality (and to compensate, all the more homophobic in public–I’m not saying Tucker, but I’m not saying NOT Tucker either).

   I think it’s got a lot to do with the fact that you can’t go out on a nice date to dinner and a movie without fear of harassment. Or heaven forbid get married and be a respectable couple.

   That said, keep the sex out of public bathrooms!

3. Felix Says:
   September 7th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

   Yup, Tucker Carlson banged that gay man’s head up against the stall all right.

   You see, he was fucking him in the ass so hard…

4. Iroquois Says:
   September 7th, 2007 at 11:44 pm

   I should think it would be obvious that a repressive society can contribute to furtive and destructive gay behavior. Acceptance of gay couples seems like so much of a no-brainer to me I don’t understand why anyone would oppose it.

   On the other hand, the area of sexual predators and their victims does not seem to be well understood. What should someone do if they are sexually assaulted, by same sex or otherwise? Do you know what you would do? I think it would be important to do something, and not just passively become a victim.

   Yet it seems Tucker is being subjected to another round of indignities as a result of publicly talking about being assaulted. Maybe guys just aren’t supposed to talk about that. You know, keep it to themselves, stiff upper lip and all that. If you say something you get labeled a faggot. The other guys on the television who were messing with him aren’t exactly good looking, and Tucker is. Maybe some sort of jealousy going on?

5. Ralph Says:
   September 8th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

   Did someone rape or try to rape Tucker Carlson?

   Or did someone approach him for consensual sex?

   Big, big difference there.

   Repeated, unwelcome invitations to engagae in consensual sex might constitute harassment, but doesn’t Tucker think all this sexual harassment stuff is overblown (unless it’s a guy coming on to HIM, in which case apparently vigilante violence is an appropriate response)?

   The other guys seem to be egging Tucker into at least saying he assaulted a gay man. Why? To prove he himself ISN’T gay?

   Gay bashers are often trying to prove to themsleves or others that they are not gay. It has been observed that gay bashers are more likely than the average man to respond to gay pornography. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle of violence and repression–one that Tucker isn’t enough of a REAL man to break out of, it seems. Kudos to those with the courage to come out of the closet, go out on dates in public, and build families together.

   Harvey Milk’s face should be on currency, or at least a postage stamp.

6. Iroquois Says:
   September 8th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

   Tucker tells the story twice, the first time while constantly being interrupted by two guys jeering at him and the second time in a more controlled situation and presumably after the opportunity to talk to a lawyer. In the one discription he is “bothered” in the other “physically grabbed”. If he was just propositioned or someone said something lewd to him, wouldn’t he have just said he was propositioned? In both versions he also says he was a minor. (I don’t think minors are legally capable of giving consent).

   Here is Tucker’s later statement:

   In the mid-1980s, while I was a high school student, a man physically grabbed me in a men’s room in Washington, DC. I yelled, pulled away from him and ran out of the room. Twenty-five minutes later, a friend of mine and I returned to the men’s room. The man was still there, presumably waiting to do to someone else what he had done to me. My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived. Several bloggers have characterized this is a sort of gay bashing. That’s absurd, and an insult to anybody who has fought back against an unsolicited sexual attack. I wasn’t angry with the man because he was gay. I was angry because he assaulted me.

   In the video, he is trying to make a point about airport toilets, and appears to be trying to make the point that he knows what he is talking about because of a personal experience in an airport toilet. It is at this point the other two guys start interrupting. Why? They take the discussion away from the hypothetical and demand to know specific details. Are they trying to make him relive the assault and be retraumatized? He does sound a little shaken, a little vulnerable. Or are they trying to divert attention away from Tucker’s ideas about what should be done about airport toilets? Or maybe they just feared having to discuss the idea seriously themselves and went on the offensive to take attention away from themselves. Or maybe as Ralph suggests, they have a compelling urge to try to prove they’re not gay

   So Ralph, what makes you ask if Tucker was approached for consensual sex?

   We already know 1)Tucker is married with 4 children 2)Tucker was once accused of raping a mentally ill woman he had never met in a city he had never visited, and wrote about false accusations in a book 3)Tucker has previously said publicly he is in favor of gay marriage.

   If you have some real evidence Tucker is gay, do tell what it is.

   Isn’t what you are trying to do, Ralph, just another version of making excuses for a criminal or antisocial act by “blaming the victim” or saying “he was asking for it”? Maybe you should go one step further and find out what he was wearing in that airport. tight pants? unbuttoned shirt? lowriders? a handkerchief?

   An acquaintance once told me in that situation she would “slap her on one side of the face, then slap her on the other side of the face, and she will never do that again.”

   Have you ever been “grabbed” or “bothered”, Ralph in a same sex bru-ha-ha? What did you do, what would you do, or what do you think is the appropriate reaction, and how would you make sure they didn’t do to someone else what they had done to you?

7. Iroquois Says:
   September 8th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

   Ralph,

   Did some priest rape or try to rape all those guys who say they were molested by priests?

   Or did the priests approach them for consensual sex?

   Big, big difference there.

   Repeated, unwelcome invitations by priests to engage in consensual sex might constitute harassment, but isn’t all this Vatican sexual harassment stuff overblown ?

   If all those guys were really molested and not gay and engaging in consensual sex, why didn’t they fight back? Why didn’t they come forward sooner?

8. Ralph Says:
   September 17th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

   If he was grabbed, that sounds like a sexual assault, and that’s serious. And if he was propositioned by an adult when he was a child, that’s serious too.

   If either is really the case, it sounds like a crime was committed.

   That is serious, and it sounds like whoever is talking to Tucker might just be laughing at the victim of a sexual assault, which I agree is disturbing.

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