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En lieu of the recent posts on the main blog about the FISA ordeal, I thought I should share this little story I came across when I logged on to Yahoor today.
Senate delays eavesdropping vote
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 39 minutes agoThe Senate on Thursday signaled support for granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government conduct warrantless eavesdropping, a sign that the contentious provision may be headed for approval next week.
On a strong 60-36 vote, senators rejected an amendment that would have killed the immunity provision and strengthened the powers of a secret court to oversee the surveillance of phone calls and e-mails that involve people inside the United States.
Further action on the legislation was delayed until Monday, pushing Congress closer to a Feb. 1 deadline for enacting a new law. If a new law is not signed by the president by then, some eavesdropping practices that are now legal would be prohibited.
The Bush administration is insisting that any new law also protect from potentially crippling civil lawsuits those telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, R-Nev., blamed Republicans for the delay, saying they were trying to block a series of amendments majority Democrats sought to offer.
“It appears the president and Republicans want failure. They don’t want a bill,” Reid said.
The draft bill, written by the Senate Intelligence Committee, would update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The law, first enacted in 1978, dictates when federal agents must obtain court permission before tapping phone and computer lines inside the United States to gather intelligence on foreign threats. Agents may tap lines outside the country without court oversight.
It was the second time in six weeks the Senate had taken up the FISA modernization bill, only to see action stymied. Reid abruptly closed down debate in December when it became clear the Senate couldn’t finish work before the holiday break.
Most vexing to the intelligence agencies, without an extension of the law the government would return to needing individual court orders to listen in on any communication that passes through U.S. telecommunications switches and computer servers — even those that are between people who are outside the country. This is not required by FISA, according to legal experts, but became the practice over time to provide firms with legal protections.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, and Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., on Thursday proposed extending the existing law for 30 days to buy the Senate additional time to produce a bill. The House completed its version of the bill last fall.
In a move to resolve the immunity issue, the key impasse on the legislation, the White House ended months of resistance Thursday and agreed to give House members access to secret documents about its warrantless wiretapping program.
The Bush administration is trying to persuade the House to agree to retroactively shield from liability those companies that helped the government eavesdrop on Americans without the approval of the FISA court. About 40 such civil lawsuits are pending against telecommunications firms, and the administration says if the cases go forward they could reveal information that would compromise national security. It also contends that the companies could be bankrupted if the lawsuits are successful.
The companies were helping the administration carry out the so-called Terrorist Surveillance Program, a still-classified effort that intercepted communications on U.S. soil without oversight from the FISA court from Sept. 11, 2001, to Jan. 17, 2007.
Reyes and Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the top Republican on the House intelligence panel, requested access to the White House documents in May. House Democrats say they will not support telecom immunity without seeing them first. Some senators were given access to the documents last fall.
The documents include the president’s authorization of warrantless wiretapping, Justice Department legal opinions going back to 2001, and the requests sent to the telecommunications companies asking for their assistance.
I’m trying really hard to be surprised these days…really hard…




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January 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I’m trying really hard to feel any hope for America… really hard… and I’m not finding any handholds of optimism.
January 25th, 2008 at 1:32 am
60-36 vote.
Not good.
You guys are going to publish (or link to) the roll call vote rundown, I hope,… or is the issue with this bill so clear cut. Someone could oppose FISA entirely and still vote against this I suppose. Still, I would really like to know who voted how.
The blogosphere action against this was so clear before and now seems unfocused. Has everyone got activism fatigue, or is there even a plan to oppose this? You know I don’t always agree with everything you guys do, and I don’t usually think it’s worthwhile to call DC when you do either, but I’m with you on this one all the way.
Have people forgotten J Edgar Hoover already? He was scary. Used to do stuff like tip off low level federal janitor types that they’re son was hanging out with someone believed to be homosexual–stuff like that that someone could only have gotten out of a garbage can. All the time he himself had never married and was presumed to have something going with his strange male assistant.
Where is the currant wiretap info going, who has access to it, and who is the new J Edgar?
Illegitimi non carborundum. Or have they blackmailed you guys, too.
January 25th, 2008 at 6:47 am
We can’t post a link to the roll call vote, because the Library of Thomas web site uses a dynamic link system in which the legitimacy of any given link expires within an hour or so. Go to the Library of Congress web site - thomas.loc.gov, and you’ll see a link right there for “roll call votes”.
We haven’t been blackmailed yet, but then again, the FBI never responded to my freedom of information requests.
Besides, why would they bother with little pipsqueaks like us? The White House has learned that, so long as information isn’t on TV, most people will never know about it.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
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January 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
I realize that most Americans’,indeed, are supporters of the truth when it is self evident, but unfortunately (99)% of the time we the people have no idea about allthe imperative issues that represent howwe can keep our precious freedoms. It’s by force of circumstance that I am compelled to demonstrate my outrage at this evil madness against all sentient beings.All executive officials re sponsible for this dastardly act must be treated as the enemy of all humanity. Please read the history of world wars. Insanity is the only reason any person would ever put this nightmare upon any sentient being.