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	<title>Comments on: Intelligent Design and Scalia&#8217;s Linguistic Relativism</title>
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		<title>By: imablogger.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thomas Jefferson: Intelligent Design Not Based on Religion</title>
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		<dc:creator>imablogger.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thomas Jefferson: Intelligent Design Not Based on Religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jefferson would agree with them that intelligent design is religion. A writer for Irregular Times goes even further, insisting that “the case of Thomas Jefferson makes it quite clear that there was not a consensus [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shtikl</title>
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		<dc:creator>shtikl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That everything means something else we also learn in this hilarious commentary at Fox News:
htp://ww.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171626,00.html

This really scares me. What is the right&#039;s indoctrination-machine teaching its disciples? Maybe: &quot;Don&#039;t trust your eyes! It&#039;s under control. Sleep well. Vote GOP.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That everything means something else we also learn in this hilarious commentary at Fox News:<br />
htp://ww.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171626,00.html</p>
<p>This really scares me. What is the right&#8217;s indoctrination-machine teaching its disciples? Maybe: &#8220;Don&#8217;t trust your eyes! It&#8217;s under control. Sleep well. Vote GOP.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shtikl Cartoons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shtikl Cartoons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;When A Blind&lt;/strong&gt;

	



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		<title>By: Darebrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darebrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us consider some historical religeous dogma foisted on the faithful as facts!

God created Adam as a Male? He then made Eve from Adams Rib as a Female. Then God decreed that Adam and Eve should NOT have sex. Once they had, two sons were produced who grew and married.. Whom?

God was PO&#039;d with the world he had made, so he chose a drunken lecher named Noah to build a boat and fill it with two each of all the worlds animals. When the water receded, Noah and his family proceeded to re-populate the world. (So we can&#039;t all be decended from Adam &amp; Eve).

Then God got mad at various groups of humans that he was resposible for creating, and set his religeous followers against the rest in an effort to get rid of them. He failed. They are still here. Then he punishes a group of his followers who were trying to reach him by inflicting them with different languages so they could not communicate. 

In short, God spent the whole of the old testatment relating stories of incest rape and murder in his name and then begats a son by seducing the innocent wife of one of his believers.

The son that God produced, set out to change the rules laid down by Dad in the Old Testament. and for his trouble was murdered by Romans who later chose to change history and blame God&#039;s chosen people (the Jews), for his death, to give them an excuse to get rid of them. (They are still trying).

Then the Romans took over christianity and continued their rape and pilage of the known world.

These new religeuous leaders created this set of rules. 1 the world is flat. 2 the sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth. 3. Medicine was condemned and doctors killed. 4. All other religions were heresey. 5. Kill all heretics. 6. Torture maim and kill anyone who questioned the church&#039;s authority. 7. The Jews are resposible for all evil. 8. The Muslims are resposible for all evil. 9. Every war since Constantin has been a religious war of Christians trying to foist these beliefs on the rest of the world.

Finaly, (I know, I know, I&#039;m ranting) christians now believe that the aquisition of wealth is christian, and each of their money grubbing neo fascist spokepersons will stop at nothing in helping the ignorant to achieve their leaders un-christian  beliefs.

If this is inteligent design, we are gonna need a lot more small busses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us consider some historical religeous dogma foisted on the faithful as facts!</p>
<p>God created Adam as a Male? He then made Eve from Adams Rib as a Female. Then God decreed that Adam and Eve should NOT have sex. Once they had, two sons were produced who grew and married.. Whom?</p>
<p>God was PO&#8217;d with the world he had made, so he chose a drunken lecher named Noah to build a boat and fill it with two each of all the worlds animals. When the water receded, Noah and his family proceeded to re-populate the world. (So we can&#8217;t all be decended from Adam &amp; Eve).</p>
<p>Then God got mad at various groups of humans that he was resposible for creating, and set his religeous followers against the rest in an effort to get rid of them. He failed. They are still here. Then he punishes a group of his followers who were trying to reach him by inflicting them with different languages so they could not communicate. </p>
<p>In short, God spent the whole of the old testatment relating stories of incest rape and murder in his name and then begats a son by seducing the innocent wife of one of his believers.</p>
<p>The son that God produced, set out to change the rules laid down by Dad in the Old Testament. and for his trouble was murdered by Romans who later chose to change history and blame God&#8217;s chosen people (the Jews), for his death, to give them an excuse to get rid of them. (They are still trying).</p>
<p>Then the Romans took over christianity and continued their rape and pilage of the known world.</p>
<p>These new religeuous leaders created this set of rules. 1 the world is flat. 2 the sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth. 3. Medicine was condemned and doctors killed. 4. All other religions were heresey. 5. Kill all heretics. 6. Torture maim and kill anyone who questioned the church&#8217;s authority. 7. The Jews are resposible for all evil. 8. The Muslims are resposible for all evil. 9. Every war since Constantin has been a religious war of Christians trying to foist these beliefs on the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Finaly, (I know, I know, I&#8217;m ranting) christians now believe that the aquisition of wealth is christian, and each of their money grubbing neo fascist spokepersons will stop at nothing in helping the ignorant to achieve their leaders un-christian  beliefs.</p>
<p>If this is inteligent design, we are gonna need a lot more small busses.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OtherSide says: &quot;..if you accept that science is a form of philosophy and you look at philosophical arguments...&quot;.  I&#039;m a scientist and I do NOT accept that science is a form of philosophy! (I did study philosophy in college by the way)  Although you can use a philosophical approach to form an understanding of the scientific method, science and philosophy have  completely different mechanisms of study.  Philosophy begins with ideas and then extrapolates them to the human realm.  Science begins with observed facts and extrapolates them to ideas.  

In the context of ID versus evolution, ID begins with the idea that there is a superior intelligent being who created the universe.  ID then goes on to try to find aspects of the universe that fit into this idea.  The basic initial idea is never questioned.  Evolution, on the other hand, begins with observations of the universe (physical, chemical, biological, etc.) and then develops a coherent theory into which these facts fit.  As new facts arise that challenge the theory, the theory is either modified or discarded (if facts PROVE that the theory is false).  To this point there are no facts (obsevations) that PROVE evolution is an invalid theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OtherSide says: &#8220;..if you accept that science is a form of philosophy and you look at philosophical arguments&#8230;&#8221;.  I&#8217;m a scientist and I do NOT accept that science is a form of philosophy! (I did study philosophy in college by the way)  Although you can use a philosophical approach to form an understanding of the scientific method, science and philosophy have  completely different mechanisms of study.  Philosophy begins with ideas and then extrapolates them to the human realm.  Science begins with observed facts and extrapolates them to ideas.  </p>
<p>In the context of ID versus evolution, ID begins with the idea that there is a superior intelligent being who created the universe.  ID then goes on to try to find aspects of the universe that fit into this idea.  The basic initial idea is never questioned.  Evolution, on the other hand, begins with observations of the universe (physical, chemical, biological, etc.) and then develops a coherent theory into which these facts fit.  As new facts arise that challenge the theory, the theory is either modified or discarded (if facts PROVE that the theory is false).  To this point there are no facts (obsevations) that PROVE evolution is an invalid theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Peregrin Wood</title>
		<link>http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2005/10/06/jefferson-int-design/comment-page-1/#comment-43783</link>
		<dc:creator>Peregrin Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OtherSide&quot;, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re paying attention.  I think this has been pointed out by somebody on the discussion boards, but nobody in science claims that the concept of biological evolution is infallible.  Infallibility is not what science is for.

In science, everything, even including the theory of gravity, is open for revision &lt;b&gt;when the evidence warrants revision&lt;/b&gt;.

Scientists do not attempt to establish infallible dogma - that&#039;s what religion does.  Maybe your long experience in religion makes it hard for you to see things in this other way.

When scientists say that biological evolution is a fact, they mean it in the sense that they can say &quot;an apple has fallen&quot;.  There are millions, maybe billions, of cases of observations that create a very solid case.

&lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; suitable evidence arose to suggest a rival explanation, &lt;b&gt;then&lt;/b&gt; scientists would give that rival explanation consideration.  However, there is &lt;b&gt;no evidence for intelligent design that has withstood scientific scrutiny&lt;/b&gt; - and the same goes for other forms of Creationism.

So, scientists never say evolution is infallible.  They just point out that intelligent design is theology, not real science at all, and no Christian scientist has been able to present a scientific counterargument that holds water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OtherSide&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re paying attention.  I think this has been pointed out by somebody on the discussion boards, but nobody in science claims that the concept of biological evolution is infallible.  Infallibility is not what science is for.</p>
<p>In science, everything, even including the theory of gravity, is open for revision <b>when the evidence warrants revision</b>.</p>
<p>Scientists do not attempt to establish infallible dogma &#8211; that&#8217;s what religion does.  Maybe your long experience in religion makes it hard for you to see things in this other way.</p>
<p>When scientists say that biological evolution is a fact, they mean it in the sense that they can say &#8220;an apple has fallen&#8221;.  There are millions, maybe billions, of cases of observations that create a very solid case.</p>
<p><b>If</b> suitable evidence arose to suggest a rival explanation, <b>then</b> scientists would give that rival explanation consideration.  However, there is <b>no evidence for intelligent design that has withstood scientific scrutiny</b> &#8211; and the same goes for other forms of Creationism.</p>
<p>So, scientists never say evolution is infallible.  They just point out that intelligent design is theology, not real science at all, and no Christian scientist has been able to present a scientific counterargument that holds water.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherSide</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherSide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously this isn&#039;t going to be discussed in the forums, I guess this is just a much simpler means to express your views.  Let me put it this way, as I wrote in the forums, &quot;fine, don&#039;t mention intelligent design, JUST DON&#039;T make evolution appear so infallible, because it isn&#039;t&quot; or something like that.  You can check the forums if you wish.
Again, introducing intelligent design would not be placing religion over secularity, it would, at best, try to equalize the scale, which seems to make sense to me.  I mean, isn&#039;t the ideal America all about equality?  About the claims that ID isn&#039;t science, you can believe that if you want, but if you accept that science is a form of philosophy and you look at the philosophical arguments about consciousness and the cosmological argument you come up with some logical support for Intelligent Design.
Haha, science accepts nothing on faith.  Science accepts everything on faith, because it is statistically impossible to prove a negative.  For example, you can&#039;t say gravity always works because there is no possible way you have tested every scenario involving gravity.  Same with claiming there is no god, you cannot take that except by faith, because basically, have you looked everywhere?  Talk to a deist about it.
Has science ever observed macro-evolution?  How about the big bang?  
&quot;No amount of linguistic manipulation&quot;...  I&#039;m sorry, but I still don&#039;t understand what is wrong with reading a document how it was intended to be read, which the last paragraph of this article says is ridiculous.  I mean, sure, Einstein might have said E=mc^2, and meant energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, but I think I&#039;ll interpret it like Elephants = mice times cats squared.  I mean, if you take away the meaning behin any document, don&#039;t you take away the very purpose of the document?  Maybe the article just isn&#039;t worded well.
Of course you have your right to seek truth.  Claiming that informing someone of another theory INFRINGES on the right to seek truth is hypocritical and oxymoronic.
Julian F., have you read the forums?  Then again, this article itself states that what I meant has no influence on my argument, as it is now in text.  Darn, i guess I just can&#039;t win because of the false logic and definition behind &quot;relativism&quot;.  Making up your own interpretations of someone elses work is relativism, not interpreting it as it was intended to be interpreted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously this isn&#8217;t going to be discussed in the forums, I guess this is just a much simpler means to express your views.  Let me put it this way, as I wrote in the forums, &#8220;fine, don&#8217;t mention intelligent design, JUST DON&#8217;T make evolution appear so infallible, because it isn&#8217;t&#8221; or something like that.  You can check the forums if you wish.<br />
Again, introducing intelligent design would not be placing religion over secularity, it would, at best, try to equalize the scale, which seems to make sense to me.  I mean, isn&#8217;t the ideal America all about equality?  About the claims that ID isn&#8217;t science, you can believe that if you want, but if you accept that science is a form of philosophy and you look at the philosophical arguments about consciousness and the cosmological argument you come up with some logical support for Intelligent Design.<br />
Haha, science accepts nothing on faith.  Science accepts everything on faith, because it is statistically impossible to prove a negative.  For example, you can&#8217;t say gravity always works because there is no possible way you have tested every scenario involving gravity.  Same with claiming there is no god, you cannot take that except by faith, because basically, have you looked everywhere?  Talk to a deist about it.<br />
Has science ever observed macro-evolution?  How about the big bang?<br />
&#8220;No amount of linguistic manipulation&#8221;&#8230;  I&#8217;m sorry, but I still don&#8217;t understand what is wrong with reading a document how it was intended to be read, which the last paragraph of this article says is ridiculous.  I mean, sure, Einstein might have said E=mc^2, and meant energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, but I think I&#8217;ll interpret it like Elephants = mice times cats squared.  I mean, if you take away the meaning behin any document, don&#8217;t you take away the very purpose of the document?  Maybe the article just isn&#8217;t worded well.<br />
Of course you have your right to seek truth.  Claiming that informing someone of another theory INFRINGES on the right to seek truth is hypocritical and oxymoronic.<br />
Julian F., have you read the forums?  Then again, this article itself states that what I meant has no influence on my argument, as it is now in text.  Darn, i guess I just can&#8217;t win because of the false logic and definition behind &#8220;relativism&#8221;.  Making up your own interpretations of someone elses work is relativism, not interpreting it as it was intended to be interpreted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This passage from comments cracked me up:

&quot;Comparing this to the Constitution, it reads pretty clearly to me that they are against the favoring of any religion over another, and Intelligent Design promotes no religion over another, except to counter the government funded atheist religion that is promoted through the teaching of evolution.&quot;

The Constitution forbids not just favoring of particular religions, but the favoring of religion versus secularity.  Intelligent Design is basically an effort to sneak religion into the public schools by claiming it is not religion, but science.   If the courts consider both requirements of the Establishment Clause, ID cannot possibly pass scrutiny.  It is too clearly a pretext.

The last clause of the comment, in which the commenter forgets the &#039;pretext&#039; he/she is engaged in and starts ranting about state imposed atheism had me laughing out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This passage from comments cracked me up:</p>
<p>&#8220;Comparing this to the Constitution, it reads pretty clearly to me that they are against the favoring of any religion over another, and Intelligent Design promotes no religion over another, except to counter the government funded atheist religion that is promoted through the teaching of evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Constitution forbids not just favoring of particular religions, but the favoring of religion versus secularity.  Intelligent Design is basically an effort to sneak religion into the public schools by claiming it is not religion, but science.   If the courts consider both requirements of the Establishment Clause, ID cannot possibly pass scrutiny.  It is too clearly a pretext.</p>
<p>The last clause of the comment, in which the commenter forgets the &#8216;pretext&#8217; he/she is engaged in and starts ranting about state imposed atheism had me laughing out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandpebble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandpebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OtherSide is a great example of our Christian fundamentalists. It is astonishing the heights to which they have taken stupidity. Science is not a religion. Scientists accept nothing on &quot;faith.&quot; They question everything, even themselves. They seek to understand the universe in which we live by observing it, forming theories to explain what they observed, testing those theories and replacing or revising them as necessary. Religious zealots take an old myth that is so totally unrealistic that it is unbelievable and try to find any facts that they can twist so they seem to support it. If these morons want to believe this fable, it is certainly their right. However, when they try to force everyone else to become as stupid and ignorant as themselves, they have stepped over the line. No amount of linguistic manipulation of the constitution can change my rights as a human being. I will defend my right to seek truth, even to the death if necessary. Let the religious zealots be forewarned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OtherSide is a great example of our Christian fundamentalists. It is astonishing the heights to which they have taken stupidity. Science is not a religion. Scientists accept nothing on &#8220;faith.&#8221; They question everything, even themselves. They seek to understand the universe in which we live by observing it, forming theories to explain what they observed, testing those theories and replacing or revising them as necessary. Religious zealots take an old myth that is so totally unrealistic that it is unbelievable and try to find any facts that they can twist so they seem to support it. If these morons want to believe this fable, it is certainly their right. However, when they try to force everyone else to become as stupid and ignorant as themselves, they have stepped over the line. No amount of linguistic manipulation of the constitution can change my rights as a human being. I will defend my right to seek truth, even to the death if necessary. Let the religious zealots be forewarned.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said intelligent design is &quot;unAmerican&quot;.  They said that it&#039;s not proper to mix the religious doctrine of intelligent design with the science taught in biology class.

Seems that this article gives a very accurate description of the implications of what you&#039;ve written.  You might want to think about that yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said intelligent design is &#8220;unAmerican&#8221;.  They said that it&#8217;s not proper to mix the religious doctrine of intelligent design with the science taught in biology class.</p>
<p>Seems that this article gives a very accurate description of the implications of what you&#8217;ve written.  You might want to think about that yourself.</p>
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