Ron Bunyan spoke to supporters from the roof of Jim’s house late last night, after he had to be moved there to protect his fragile meditation.
During the speech, he explained that he would be meditating for 7 more months, and then would run off into the woods to after secret place 3 days and 3 nights’ wandering. “I am not a Buddha yet,” Bunyan said. “I have merely achieved the status of high and lordly god.”
Some skeptics wondered why, if Ron Bunyan had really been meditating the whole time, he had been hidden inside, behind closed doors, overnight. “It was to protect him from jungle animals, like elephants and tigers,” Jim explained. “Besides, my kids needed to get some sleep.”
Still, serious questions are being raised. Some observers wonder if the clay figure appearing on Jim’s roof is really Ron Bunyan, or might be just a stand-in. They say that the changing appearance of Ron is reminiscent of the changing appearance of another supposed new Buddha, Ram Bomjon in Nepal. They say that, in the new photograph, Ron Bunyan is wearing different clothes, and has different color hair.
Pilgrims who have gathered to see Ron Bunyan dismiss the charges as manifestations of a Western inability to understand how a figure made out of clay can meditate. “Ron Bunyan is doing such wonderful things for the world,” said one supporter, who was wearing a Ron Bunyan necklace, waving a Ron Bunyan commemorative banner, and carrying a Ron Bunyan’s 10 Tips to Spiritual Success CD. “Ron is helping so many people, I think that it’s tragic how people are just trying to bring him down. Some people say that Jim is just in cohoots with Ron, trying to make a lot of money off of all the spiritual pilgrims coming here to see the Buddhist miracle of his meditation. All I have to say to them is, have they ever tried sitting like a lump of clay and not doing anything for three weeks straight? If they did, they would understand. Until they try that, I think they’re just being closed minded.”
Jim, speaking for Ron Bunyan’s committee, said that the meditating boy had to be moved up onto the roof after meddling investigators from a local toy store came in demanding to inspect Bunyan themselves, to see if he is really made of modeling clay. Bunyan’s supporters refused to allow them closer than 15 feet, so that Bunyan’s meditation would not be disturbed.
Well, I never!
I did NOT make those comments, and Ron Bunyan did NOT go onto my roof. Ron Bunyan never said those things to me, and he remains safely meditating on my desk. These are pictures taken of Ralph Bunyan, who is trying to profit — profit! — from his brother’s spiritual journey. And the “Jim” referred to is Ralph Bunyan’s lawyer, Jim Tuckus, who actually goes by Jack but who has taken on his new nickname to simulate mine.
I am sick and tired of people exploiting religious individuals to make a buck. Shame on you and your red shirt with white buttons, Ralph. If you’re similarly tired of this kind of profiteering off religion, click here to send a donation to the Defend Ron Bunyan From His Poky Brother Committee (or, as we call it, the DefRoB Fro HiPoBroC).
Stop the lies!
This cute bit of parody and silliness relates to larger themes on a different, lengthy page
concerning the so-called “Buddy Boy,” which you can get to at this below link:
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/21/ram-bomjon-video/
You’re welcome to visit this original discussion, and here you will find many more links to helpful, collateral information, videos, etc.
James
Funny how you can’t bear to discuss these themes as applied in this absurdist mirror image, James. Does it make you uncomfortable to see the absurdity of your arguments?
There’s a purpose to parody, James, and it’s not just to be silly. It’s to expose weak claims by testing them in a new situation. That needs to be addressed here, not in the safe home territory of the literal where you feel comfortable.
Tired minds like to be silly, laugh, be free from the strains of logical and literal thinking.
There’s nothing wrong with parody or silliness, as long as we recognise them as just
that…silliness and giggling parody.
James
As opposed to the case of Rom Bomjon, which is similarly filled with physical impossibilities and improbabilities but isn’t silly fiction at all. No, no, no. That one’s real, see.
I don’t see any reasonable similarity at all between those two cases.
Carry on with the instructive parody.
James
Why won’t you keep an open mind regarding Ron Bunyan? Why can’t you just keep an open mind?
My mind is quite open. I acknowledge your funny parody.
Carry on with it.
James
You won’t acknowledge the truth of it. I knew it! You don’t have an open mind. Why be so limited with your thinking? Why can’t you acknowledge that it is possibly true?
OK, tell me more.
What exactly do want to have acknowledged as true?
Why, simply that it’s possible Ron Bunyan has shrunk to three inches tall and taken on a plasticene glow since beginning his no-eating, no-drinking, no-moving meditation.
After all, you’ve taken it as possible the story of Rom Bomjon: that a boy didn’t eat or drink while meditating for many months and then took a five-day walk through the woods. If you’re going to go that far, why not go whole hog and acknowledge the possibility of the Ron Bunyan experience? I mean, how do you know it couldn’t happen?
Several factors affect my perception and readiness to believe what you say is true.
For one thing, I’ve clearly indicated the role of intuition in my take on Bomjon. My intuition in his case doesn’t throw up alarms telling me he’s an obvious hoax. On the other hand, considering my intuitive voice in your puppet instance, it tell me that you’re definitely a bullshiter, insincere as hell, and lying for the sport of it. So…that’s a starting point.
However, I am willing to balance out the role of my intuition with some logical thought process.
Why don’t we start out with you furnishing me with some proof of the existence of this puppet formerly as a human being, you know, drivers license with photo ID, other good stuff. I’ve spent a fair amount of time looking for collateral sources of info about Bomjon, incluidng talking with people personally who were five
feet away from Bomjon, who have resided in Nepal for some ten years, and who know some of the older monks there. I’m willing to gamble a little time to indulge your bullshit. Or are you tired of playing your game yet?
James
Oh yeah, interested readers who wonder why I said jclifford is
a liar in regard to Bomjon may jump over to the earlier web page on that topic, my comments there specify many of his lies and inaccuracies.
See:
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/21/ram-bomjon-video/
James
jclifford,
I’ve asked numberous times for you to post here a list of cites/sources where you’ve
seen Bomjon make direct statements to the press or the world about what he’s accomplished,
such as whether he eats, or drinks, or how long he meditates per day, whether he sleeps. ETC.
As I said before, I’ve only seen the press quote rumors from people in his vicinity, not
any of these “amazing” statements by him directly. You’ve claimed he is making all these flase claims, so I’d like to verify what you say. I’ve asked about five or six times in past weeks. No reply yet.
Thanks much.
James
Here ya go jclifford, a specific instance of you publishing
wrong info about Bomjon, and failing to retract it and apologize once you should know better.
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jclifford wrote:
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/21/ram-bomjon-video/
by jclifford @ 9:40 am. Filed under General, Religion, Mysteries
Earlier this morning, I reported that Ram Bomjon, the teenager from Nepal who is supposed to have proved his merit as a new Buddha or great enlightened teacher
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James comments: What wrong about your statement is that you say Bomjon is “supposed to have earned merit as a new Buddha.”
That’s false. Many newspapers online around the world have widely quoted the fact that Bomjon told
his followers he is not a Buddha, not to call him a Buddha, and he needs at least six more years of private meditation to maybe become enlighted. You have previously quoted from other pages on such sites so should know better. In addition to misrepresenting that fact, you use the false impression that creates to compare him to the original Buddha, and criticize him for failing to be the same as that original Buddha. In other words,
you publish false facts that you use to try and “hang” the fellow, and amplify misplaced distrust in him. That’s bad in my view. And this is just one of many examples of your bad faith as a writer here. It makes the entire webiste have a sheen of twisting the truth.
James
NOW you’re insisting on logic! I see.
How do you know your intuition isn’t just wrong on Ron Bunyan?
Yep, by your own standard your mind is closed on this one.
OK, so you have been doing your own independent investigation.
Do you have Ram Bomjon’s driver’s license?
Do you have proof that Ram Bomjon didn’t have anything to eat or drink in the many months for which his supporters said Ram Bomjon didn’t have anything to eat or drink?
I have seen you supply neither.
Apply your own “logical” instruments there as well as here, or don’t apply them here.
I am not jclifford, but I can’t just watch you say such ridiculous things.
First, there is more than one meaning to the word “supposed.” One is “alleged.” As in, “it is supposed that the cat ate that darned catnip ball.” It is most certainly NOT false that Ram Bomjon has been supposed — by many people — to have gained merit as a new Buddha.
Second, show me one place where jclifford says that he has “seen Bomjon make direct statements to the press or the world about what he’s accomplished, such as whether he eats, or drinks, or how long he meditates per day, whether he sleeps…” By my read jcliford has never made such a claim.
Either you also know these things, in which case you are wilfully misrepresenting someone’s positions,
Or you haven’t been a careful enough reader.
In either case, you need to tone down your rhetoric.
Jim wrote in point 17:
Show me one place where jclifford says he has seen Bomjon make direct statements…..”
James:
jclifford wrote this:
“…..Ram Bomjon’s claims, and they are his own, defy not only centuries of knowledge gathered by Western and Eastern scientists, it defies the principles of Buddhism as well.”
..at this URL:
…..http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/21/ram-bomjon-video/
I didn’t say that jclifford claims to have seen Bomjon talk to the press. I asked him
give a source for his statements that Bomjon’s personally makes claims to press or others
about not eating, not drinking meditating X months, etc. jclifford won’t respond to my many requests, but continues to say Bomjon himself is making such claims.
James,
So then you admit that jclifford never said that he saw Bomjon talk to the press. Good.
Jim,
No, lowlife. I did not admit what you said. That is clear from the context of what was quoted.
James
So then you say that jclifford did say that he saw Bomjon talk to the press?
That’s bizarre.
Apparently, I upset you quite a bit, so much that you call me “lowlife.” Tough, but when you call someone a liar you’d better be able to back it up.
If you’re still confused, Jim, just re-read the third, fourth and fifth one up,
that should clarify the context.
James
Jim #16 doesnt make any sence james has the right to apply his own logic term dont mislead the viewers,