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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Get Ridiculous Exploiting Mark Foley Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/10/mark-foley-disappointed/comment-page-1/#comment-228476</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple weeks ago I started hearing from people Out East I hadn&#039;t heard from in a while.  Still going on. Nice to hear from old buds. And oh, by the way, someone is looking for stories about government misdoing, it has to be about sex. The request is routed through dem offices but supposedly originates with republicans. wtf? fight or flight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple weeks ago I started hearing from people Out East I hadn&#8217;t heard from in a while.  Still going on. Nice to hear from old buds. And oh, by the way, someone is looking for stories about government misdoing, it has to be about sex. The request is routed through dem offices but supposedly originates with republicans. wtf? fight or flight?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Clifford</title>
		<link>http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/10/mark-foley-disappointed/comment-page-1/#comment-228370</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

Here&#039;s the problem: I am becoming deeply concerned that the Democratic Party is on its way to becoming just like the Republican Party.  Oh, there are still some good Democrats in Congress, but there are some very nasty ones too, and since George W. Bush took office, the national Democratic Party has become more and more insistent that Democrats leave their spines at the door.

... and this is with Howard Dean in charge?  No.  Howard Dean is not in charge of the party.  Rahm Emanuel and Charles Schumer are, and those two are willing to do anything to get power and keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem: I am becoming deeply concerned that the Democratic Party is on its way to becoming just like the Republican Party.  Oh, there are still some good Democrats in Congress, but there are some very nasty ones too, and since George W. Bush took office, the national Democratic Party has become more and more insistent that Democrats leave their spines at the door.</p>
<p>&#8230; and this is with Howard Dean in charge?  No.  Howard Dean is not in charge of the party.  Rahm Emanuel and Charles Schumer are, and those two are willing to do anything to get power and keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/10/mark-foley-disappointed/comment-page-1/#comment-228349</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think anyone would comment on this one.  We expect the Hollywood &quot;casting couch&quot;; is this now expected in Washington too? It also smacks of a complex underlying problem with difficult if any solutions. We prefer easy explanations and quick fixes. The underage pages were much more exciting with more grist for the mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think anyone would comment on this one.  We expect the Hollywood &#8220;casting couch&#8221;; is this now expected in Washington too? It also smacks of a complex underlying problem with difficult if any solutions. We prefer easy explanations and quick fixes. The underage pages were much more exciting with more grist for the mill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the underage scandals are just the canary in the mineshaft. For every minor we know about with a problem, how many adults?

When I was abroad with a government agency, the officer in charge of making sure everyone got the monthly subsistence allowance was busy inviting blonde women to lunch.  When I made sure his invitation to me included his pregnant wife, the invitation evaporated and I suddenly found myself in a strange country with no money.  I found out about two others, both blonde with similar situation. &quot;Of course you&#039;re having problems, you turned him down,&quot; I was told by one of them, as my jaw dropped.  &quot;That&#039;s how those Washington types operate.&quot; No one, but absolutely no one within the agency would speak out.  The guy was born in Africa with an American wife, and this agency was desperate to recruit minorities. He&#039;s still there. The other thing they would always throw in everyone&#039;s face is that the agency was politically fragile and if any problems became publicly known, the agency would be destroyed. The forms for reporting problems were secretly xeroxed and passed from hand to hand, but those who filled them out would find the forms never got outside the agency to embassy security, and they would suddenly find themselves having problems. One officer going stateside passed out blank forms and solicited anonymous remarks to be hand-carried to Washington, but of course it made no difference, as those at the highest levels wanted no hint of problems breathed in their fragile political air. Oh, yes, these were democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the underage scandals are just the canary in the mineshaft. For every minor we know about with a problem, how many adults?</p>
<p>When I was abroad with a government agency, the officer in charge of making sure everyone got the monthly subsistence allowance was busy inviting blonde women to lunch.  When I made sure his invitation to me included his pregnant wife, the invitation evaporated and I suddenly found myself in a strange country with no money.  I found out about two others, both blonde with similar situation. &#8220;Of course you&#8217;re having problems, you turned him down,&#8221; I was told by one of them, as my jaw dropped.  &#8220;That&#8217;s how those Washington types operate.&#8221; No one, but absolutely no one within the agency would speak out.  The guy was born in Africa with an American wife, and this agency was desperate to recruit minorities. He&#8217;s still there. The other thing they would always throw in everyone&#8217;s face is that the agency was politically fragile and if any problems became publicly known, the agency would be destroyed. The forms for reporting problems were secretly xeroxed and passed from hand to hand, but those who filled them out would find the forms never got outside the agency to embassy security, and they would suddenly find themselves having problems. One officer going stateside passed out blank forms and solicited anonymous remarks to be hand-carried to Washington, but of course it made no difference, as those at the highest levels wanted no hint of problems breathed in their fragile political air. Oh, yes, these were democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for the loud denunciations from the Democrats is really quite simple: They&#039;ve learned,(from the Republinazis), that the great mass of voters don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about the issues. Give &#039;em a juicy sex scandal, though, and look out! That entire party is automatically guilty by association (Facts be damned, we got a SCANDAL!). Hey, it worked for the Republinazis, courting the voters by claiming the mantle of the &quot;Party of Family Values&quot;, while reviling the Democrats for their &quot;immoral views&quot; (their words, not mine). Now the shoe is on the other foot. And do you really expect them to leave an effective weapon laying on the ground instead of picking it up and USING it? Get real. If you truly want the Democratic Party to control Congress in &#039;06 (And I REALLY hope that happens!)are you willing to quibble over the tactics? Ever heard the old adage,&quot;Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander&quot;? Politics is hardball...and when we have this advantage this close to the elections, we&#039;d be FOOLS to not use it. Let&#039;s get that Majority back in both houses...then let&#039;s start the Empeachment investigations on Bush/Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for the loud denunciations from the Democrats is really quite simple: They&#8217;ve learned,(from the Republinazis), that the great mass of voters don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about the issues. Give &#8216;em a juicy sex scandal, though, and look out! That entire party is automatically guilty by association (Facts be damned, we got a SCANDAL!). Hey, it worked for the Republinazis, courting the voters by claiming the mantle of the &#8220;Party of Family Values&#8221;, while reviling the Democrats for their &#8220;immoral views&#8221; (their words, not mine). Now the shoe is on the other foot. And do you really expect them to leave an effective weapon laying on the ground instead of picking it up and USING it? Get real. If you truly want the Democratic Party to control Congress in &#8217;06 (And I REALLY hope that happens!)are you willing to quibble over the tactics? Ever heard the old adage,&#8221;Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander&#8221;? Politics is hardball&#8230;and when we have this advantage this close to the elections, we&#8217;d be FOOLS to not use it. Let&#8217;s get that Majority back in both houses&#8230;then let&#8217;s start the Empeachment investigations on Bush/Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the way our elected officials in Washington (Republicans and Democrats alike) have been treating interns and pages like members of a harem, I think it might be time for some institutional change. At the very least, we shouldn&#039;t have pages and interns below the age of consent, it seems to me.

After Clinton and Condit, I&#039;ve got a real hard time believing anybody was actually shocked by this Foley thing. Yet here we are again a few years later, SHOCKED once more that innocent youths to whom people in positions of power have ready access are sexually exploited.

Ya think? 

It&#039;s like cockroaches--for every one you see, figure there&#039;s a hundred or so you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the way our elected officials in Washington (Republicans and Democrats alike) have been treating interns and pages like members of a harem, I think it might be time for some institutional change. At the very least, we shouldn&#8217;t have pages and interns below the age of consent, it seems to me.</p>
<p>After Clinton and Condit, I&#8217;ve got a real hard time believing anybody was actually shocked by this Foley thing. Yet here we are again a few years later, SHOCKED once more that innocent youths to whom people in positions of power have ready access are sexually exploited.</p>
<p>Ya think? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like cockroaches&#8211;for every one you see, figure there&#8217;s a hundred or so you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Clifford</title>
		<link>http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/10/mark-foley-disappointed/comment-page-1/#comment-227215</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no, greenpagan, we don&#039;t know that yet.  Just like we don&#039;t know that there isn&#039;t a secret Martian conspiracy behind Mark Foley&#039;s behavior.

But, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - not just idle suspicion.

And Alan, I&#039;m not giving the Republican Party a free pass.  I&#039;m giving them a fair break, just like I demanded that Bill Clinton get when he screwed up.

Organizations like the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church have institutional problems that need to be addressed as such.  Besides, I don&#039;t ever advocate that the leaders of the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church get thrown out of power, as people are suggesting with the Republican Congress.  I just express my disapproval, and suggest that people stay away from those organizations.

There is no indication of a political policy issue that makes this a responsible election issue.  That&#039;s the main difference, Alan.  Dealing with public officials with public responsibilities is not the same as just coping with people that we don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, greenpagan, we don&#8217;t know that yet.  Just like we don&#8217;t know that there isn&#8217;t a secret Martian conspiracy behind Mark Foley&#8217;s behavior.</p>
<p>But, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof &#8211; not just idle suspicion.</p>
<p>And Alan, I&#8217;m not giving the Republican Party a free pass.  I&#8217;m giving them a fair break, just like I demanded that Bill Clinton get when he screwed up.</p>
<p>Organizations like the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church have institutional problems that need to be addressed as such.  Besides, I don&#8217;t ever advocate that the leaders of the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church get thrown out of power, as people are suggesting with the Republican Congress.  I just express my disapproval, and suggest that people stay away from those organizations.</p>
<p>There is no indication of a political policy issue that makes this a responsible election issue.  That&#8217;s the main difference, Alan.  Dealing with public officials with public responsibilities is not the same as just coping with people that we don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: greenpagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenpagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;If there were a pattern of systematic sexual predation against teenagers by Republicans in the House of Representatives, that would be a different story. There is no such pattern.

We don&#039;t really know that yet, do we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;If there were a pattern of systematic sexual predation against teenagers by Republicans in the House of Representatives, that would be a different story. There is no such pattern.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t really know that yet, do we?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clinton matter was considered to be a question of private morality because it was between consenting adults.  The pages in the Foley matter were neither adult nor consenting, and the pages in question were supposed to be under the administrative protection of Foley who used his position both to get access to the minors and to coerce silence. It is starting to emerge that Republican leadership did indeed know something was going on and refused to protect the minors for poitical reasons.  

If the boy scouts had a scout leader doing that stuff, you would not be so tolerant. And if the BSA knew there was a boy scout leader doing stuff like that and did nothing about it, you guys would be all over BSA like white on rice.  So now the republican party gets a free pass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clinton matter was considered to be a question of private morality because it was between consenting adults.  The pages in the Foley matter were neither adult nor consenting, and the pages in question were supposed to be under the administrative protection of Foley who used his position both to get access to the minors and to coerce silence. It is starting to emerge that Republican leadership did indeed know something was going on and refused to protect the minors for poitical reasons.  </p>
<p>If the boy scouts had a scout leader doing that stuff, you would not be so tolerant. And if the BSA knew there was a boy scout leader doing stuff like that and did nothing about it, you guys would be all over BSA like white on rice.  So now the republican party gets a free pass?</p>
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