[Note: As of fall 2007, Ron Paul has switched suppliers on caps and shirts and is relying solely on American Apparel, which manufactures in downtown Los Angeles. This makes the following article one of historical, not current, relevance.]
Notice to Americans who support Ron Paul because of his purported stands against international trade agreements that he says threaten American sovereignty: You have been cheated.
When it comes to Ron Paul’s positions on international free trade agreements, Ron Paul is a phony. The truth is that the Ron Paul for President 2008 campaign uses sweatshop labor made possible through those trade agreements. The Ron Paul 2008 campaign gets its message out by selling t-shirts that are made in sweatshops in foreign countries, by workers who have taken outsourced jobs that once were held by American workers.
Don’t believe me? Go ahead and have a look for yourself. Go to the Ron Paul for President web site and look up in the upper lefthand corner. You’ll see a link there that says “store”. At that store, the Ron Paul campaign sells shirts through CafePress. A few of those shirts are made in the USA by American Apparel. However, most of the shirts that Ron Paul sells are made by companies with a history of using factories in foreign countries that abuse workers and pay shamefully low wages.
Ron Paul is able to sell these t-shirts at low prices because of the international trade agreements that make the garment sweatshops in foreign countries possible. On his campaign web site, Ron Paul calls these international trade agreements “a threat to our independence as a nation.” However, Ron Paul turns right around and sells items, using the very same international trade agreements to do so at a low price!
Does Ron Paul have no shame? Did Ron Paul really think that we wouldn’t notice? Does he think the American people are that stupid?
It gets worse. You know what motto the Ron Paul campaign puts on those shirts made in sweatshops by underpaid foreign workers made available through international trade agreements? He uses the motto “Hope for America”.
Apparently, Ron Paul thinks that hope for America lies in sending American jobs overseas. Apparently, Ron Paul thinks that hope for America lies in factories that abuse their workers and evade environmental protections. Apparently, Ron Paul thinks that hope for America lies in international trade agreements.
If that’s really Ron Paul’s agenda for America, he ought to just come out and say so.
If that isn’t Ron Paul’s agenda for America, then he ought to stop being a hypocrite, and stop selling foreign-made sweatshop shirts on his campaign’s CafePress shop.
So after all that fancy cutting and pasting, can anyone tell me where Ron Paul’s official campaign merchandise is made and that it definitely is not produced in sweatshops? I think not.
You didn’t answer my question, STT. Can you point out even one Ron Paul supporter in the above thread who cares how workers are treated?
Those aren’t gotchas.
The Progressives and the “unionists” have worked for years to begin organizations such as the WRC — the Workers Rights Consortium, which discloses factory locations and conducts regular independent inspections with publicly posted reports. Organizations like Sara Lee, which includes Hanes, have resisted joining up with the likes of the WRC. But the WRC has engaged and engaged in active response when it finds out about issues at plants where Sara Lee / Hanes does business. This includes factories The Argus Group, which produces apparel for Hanes in El Salvador and Nicaragua. In the summer and fall of last year, WRC confronted the Argus Group factories that produce for Hanes, identifying instances in which workers were fired for union organizing, firings that are in violation of the law. That’s just one piece, SpankyTuTone, and there’s been much more that people concerned with the issue have done. Just because you don’t know what you’re talking about doesn’t mean that nothing’s been done.
Secondly, it is a structural feature of overseas apparel production that American corporations often don’t know what the subcontracting factories that supply their apparel are doing. That doesn’t mean that a shirt made in that subcontracting factory isn’t made through coerced, underpaid, abused labor.
Take a peek into the world of American unionized apparel production, and you’ll quickly find out that shirts are available wholesale even in quite small batches for $4 or $5 a pop, including shipping. That permits retailers to make quite a decent profit on American-made union shirts. But somehow shirts shipped in all the way from Thailand or trucked in all the way from Honduras manage to be cheaper still. How is that? How could shirts carried halfway around the world on tankers, or driven thousands of miles across multiple international borders possibly compete with the American-made shirts that are produced and distributed locally? I mean, those are some pretty hefty transportation expenses we’re talking about. Hmm. What could the producers of those shirts do to cancel out the huge transportation costs, and make the wholesale price of those t-shirts even lower than the already-low USA union-made cost?
HMMM, JUST WONDER WHOM AND HOW AMERICANS LOST THEIR JOBS OVER HERE???
THIS GOES WAY BACK, WANT TO BLAME SOMEONE, JUST ASK YOURSELF OVER THE YEARS WHO YOU VOTED FOR? THANKS ALOT!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE GOT OURSELVES IN THE MESS WE ARE IN.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, this thread is live again.
My post can be entitled:
Does Irregular Times Promote Outsourced Sweatshop Labor? or How Many Degrees of Separation Until Someone is Guilt Free?
If I follow the link to “Election 2008 Shop,” it takes me here: http://irregulartimes.com/2008shop.html
Clicking on each of the candidate links takes me to various catalogs, all under the Irregular Times banner, some at the Cafepress website, a company documented in the original blog to sell products made by companies that use sweatshop labor.
Please tell me where these products were made, because not a one says, “Made in the USA†in the product information section. This is just a small sampling:
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.21366426
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.21365986
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.21366051
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.21363409
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.21363406
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.34381430
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.90313287
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.24981373
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.73884109
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.24981372
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.85410638
http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.20331552
http://www.cafepress.com/newwhitehouse.110173630
http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.14416190
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.20786709
http://www.cafepress.com/runningmates.85845379
http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008.90312818
Well, I just followed the first three, because I’m a lazy-ass motherfucker. But assuming you’re referring to buttons and bumper stickers, by gum, I contacted CafePress with exactly your question two years ago. They told me personally that the sourcing of the material is American. As I’m sure you know, the printing by CafePress is also American.
If you have information to the contrary, please share it, with sourcing, because if what I was told by the CafePress representative turned out to be untrue I would of course want to confront CafePress with that information and pursue whatever changes in their practice might be necessary as soon as possible.
Whatever you say is true, Jim. You were willing to let them off just on their word.
[As an aside, no need for anyone to answer, really: Why not include the American, non-sweatshop source in the product information? It would be a reason to crow, would it not?]
But something you wrote makes me wonder, “If you have information to the contrary, please share it, with sourcing…”
That gets back to my post #48: “How do you know that the shirts in question were made in the way you claim?”
It was originally directed at Iroquois, but fits in with your statement above. If someone is going to say that, “Ron Paul 2008 Uses Outsourced Sweatshop Labor…” shouldn’t they have actual proof of that claim, with sourcing?
Would a report of a phone conversation with a Cafepress employee that the shirts sold through the Ron Paul 2008 campaign were selected from Hanes factories not employing sweatshop labor be enough to vindicate Ron Paul? I could call tomorrow if you’d like.
Knowing that cafepress sells products made in seatshops, why does Irregular Times use them at all? Doesn’t that set them, and every one of their supporters, up as promoting what some people call slave labor?
I had a specific conversation with a CafePress representative who specifically said the sourcing for the material for the stickers and buttons was American. I also know from direct experience with printers that there are bumper sticker and button materials that are made in the USA, which gives the verbal account plausibility. That’s a level of specificity above the “sweatshop” issue. If you can replicate that level of specificity by finding out affirmatively where and under what conditions the Ron Paul shirts are made, go ahead. But the CafePress Director of Marketing has stated that CafePress does not ask for information on conditions of manufacture when it establishes its supplying relationships, so I don’t know how it would answer that question in any detail.
We do make an effort to find and promote alternatives to CafePress (such as Skreened, for instance, and Goodstorm) that only work with non-sweatshop sources. When we talk about CafePress, we often and repeatedly talk about the different products and, if we “promote” anything about CafePress, we promote people making considered choices about which of the CafePress products they buy (if consumers) or offer (if shopkeepers). Ron Paul’s campaign, to my knowledge, hasn’t talked about the ethical issues in this regard.
All that said, IF you have information indicating that the bumper stickers and buttons by CafePress are NOT made in the USA, please let me know, with a source for the information, so I can proceed as needed.
Jim,
Read this carefully:
I am not a Ron Paul supporter (you did not say I was). I am not trying to excuse the actions of Ron Paul’s campaign supporters, to the extent that they merit the criticism directed at them.
The main thing I am posting about is the fact that jclifford has been using tabloid-style writing, not unlike the work of such neo-con luminaries as Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, in his blogs about Ron Paul and his campaign.
There are many things to dislike about Ron Paul, from almost every political perspective. It is very easy to look up the true things about Ron Paul to not like and describe them with supporting citations. One does not need to resort to logical fallacy and scandal-mongering.
For example, this post could have been entitled, “Ron Paul campaign will not answer questions about use of sweatshop shirts,” with descriptions of the issue:
The “Hope” shirt is printed on stock made by Hanes, a company known to use sweatshop labor. This author contacted the Ron Paul campaign to ask if they had researched the shirts and what they were going to do about it now that they knew. This is what the campaign staffer said, “…” We here at I.T. have maintained that using sweatshop labor is immoral and should be stopped by relying on these techniques [list]. Until we receive a satisfactory answer from the Ron Paul orgainization, we must assume that Ron Paul does not care about this important issue.
Similar to what you have been writing about Unity08.
The Ron Paul + Enron thread is just pure political BS. The issue is Ron Paul said things about the California energy crisis that pointed the finger at bureaucrats and government, favorite targets of libertarians and conservatives. There is no more link between what Ron Paul said and Enron than there is between Hillary Clinton voting for Iraq war resolutions and Abu Ghraib (meaning there is a link, but very tenuous).
There is no reason but trying to smear Ron Paul to focus only on his vote on the medal for Rosa Parks, rather than all the medals he has voted against.
And so on…
Is it possible for you to see my what I mean? And, if possible, will you make the effort to do so?
Why bother making claims the writer cannot support, exaggerating, implying and so forth when there is plenty of true, easily referenced material that a writer can rely on to support the belief that Ron Paul is not a worthwhile candidate for President?
Pure BS? STT, I think you know better than that. You consistently overstate your arguments, ignoring parts of the arguments in these articles that you don’t know how to deal with. You aren’t being honest. NO REASON to focus on Ron Paul’s slight against Rosa Parks when his record shows the clear hypocrisy?
People, READ these articles. They’re some of the best documentation of the problems with Ron Paul anywhere online.
STT has a knee jerk reaction against ordinary citizens criticizing presidential candidates, like Ron Paul, who are out gathering millions of dollars. Isn’t that bizarre?
Wait a minute. STT contacted the Ron Paul office and they said they couldn’get an answer from the Ron Paul office? Something is missing from the description. They have a list?
So the staffers themselves think sweatshops are immoral, they know Ron Paul doesn’t care and won’t address the issue, and they continue to volunteer for him?
I don’t think so. I think that paragraph was meant to be hypothetical.
Wow,
Is someone paying you all to write lies about Ron Paul and spin them to sound like truth. I used Cafe Press in the past, and where’s the proof it was made in a sweatshop?
This is a joke, I know one of the owners personally! NOT TRUE. Don’t fall for these lies.
Oh, I see it now, Jim, “this writer” refers to the writer of the original piece, jclifford, and not himself, the writer of the post.
Not a joke, Greg.
http://camelsnose.wordpress.com/2007/05/12/is-cafepresscom-hiding-sweatshops/
While awareness of sweatshop issues in the U.S. is not yet as widespread as in Europe, we are starting to catch up with our growing free trade coffee market. Companies like Nike, which in the past have had a very shady record on human rights abroad, are starting to disclose more about their foreign operations and even make measured progress toward fairness part of their corporate mission.
If you know one of the owners, Greg, maybe you can convince them to provide more info on their products. I wrote to them and just got a form letter back. In particular, I think there is a market for a union or fair trade black tee, especially in larger sizes.
I may not have as large a readership as IrregularTimes, but I do what I can, and have deleted any of my offerings from CafePress that could not be documented to be sweatshop- and child labor-free. I know first hand how important pressure from the west can be in these countries.
Ron Paul may not be a first tier candidate, but so far, he has done nothing.
Thanks again Nijma, for doing what you can.
It’s a clear moral issue: When given the opportunity to offer shirts made by companies that outsource American jobs overseas and have a history of using sweatshop labor, Ron Paul’s campaign thought it was a great idea.
Ron Paul’s campaign has the nerve to declare “Hope for America” on shirts made in nasty conditions overseas.
Why won’t Ron Paul’s supporters hold him morally accountable? Is there nothing Ron Paul could do to lose their support?
You know, Peregrin, that’s something nobody’s addressed in the comments. How, exactly, are shirts made by underpaid people overseas in any way a “Hope for America?” I mean, yeah, I get that they give Hope to some investor somewhere who’s already rich enough. But Hope for America?
Jim,
I’m asking yet again: How do you know the shirts made for the Ron Paul campaign were produced in overseas sweatshops?
Circumstantial evidence points towards it being so. Statistically, it is very likely.
I’ve sent an e-mail to the Ron Paul campaign pointing out the troubles potential Progessive Ron Paul voters were having with this issue. We’ll see what they say.
This is not a trivial issue.
Hey, look at this:
Made in the USA?
A “Made in the USA” label does NOT guarantee that workers behind the label were paid at least minimum wage in decent conditions.
In the U.S. sweatshops conditions exist in low wage industries that employ immigrants, like the garment industry. The U.S. Department of Labor found that 67% of garment factories in Los Angeles and 63% in New York, violate minimum wage and overtime laws. 98% of garment factories in Los Angeles have workplace health and safety problems serious enough to lead to severe injuries or death.
Another problem is that factories in U.S. territories, such as Guam, Samoa and Saipan are allowed to use the “Made in the USA” label despite the fact that their status as territories exempts them from U.S. labor laws.
from here:
http://veganpeace.com/sweatshops/responsible_shopping.htm
How, then, is a shopper to really know that every dollar they are spending is going to companies that are sweatshop- and child-labor free?
Honestly. I’d like to know.
I’m also wondering what that means for taxpayers. Are we forgiven for paying taxes that are used to support the war and oppression at home and abroad because those taxes are forced upon us at gunpoint?[This question is more rhetorical.]
I know there are people who protest taxation because of the immoral uses their money is put to, but how would one sort out those folks to know which ones are honest and which are just using any excuse to avoid paying taxes? [This question is also more rhetorical.]
“Honestly. I’d like to know.”
You research corporations like American Apparel and find out about their records of worker compensation and benefits, that’s how.
Der.
And on the other issue, you aren’t being careful about what I’ve said.
So, you go to the store and before you buy even one thing with a “Made in USA” label you:
1. Write down the name of the company…
2. Come home or somewhere and get on the internet…
3. Look up that company and see if there is anything about their labor practices available…
4. If there is, and it is in line with your own beliefs, then you go back and buy the item.
5. If there is not – Then what? Assume that it was sweatshop- or child-labor made or take your chances that it was not? Because, if it was not, and you choose not to buy, then you would be penalizing people who had done no wrong, unless, in your mind, the fact that they didn’t prove their innocence ahead of time is enough to make you feel they are not worthy of your money.
What if you find out that the labor practices are in line with your beliefs but the owner donates large sums of his personal salary to Liberty University and you are a strong atheist?
What if you find out that the company is, in fact, in Guam, but the owner donates large sums of money to the UOG Marine Lab, which uses it to protect local sea life?
How deep do you have to go before you ensure that every penny you spend voluntarily is not actually working against what you believe? That you are not, “fighting the fire while feeding the flame”?
Don’t read my question to mean I think your method is impractical – I don’t. I fully endorse spending one’s money in accordance with one’s values.
*****
“And on the other issue, you aren’t being careful about what I’ve said.”
Sorry, I’m confused. I’ve lost track of which other issue this refers to.
Before I sell my designs on shirts, you bet your sweet bippy I look it up. That’s a decision that affects a lot more people, so that’s a lot more primary. But at the personal level, I try to be conscious of my clothes purchases, too, and I certainly consider who produces them and where they come from. As I get older I try to learn more and more about what comes from where for various sorts of products, and that’s an ongoing process, but in those industries where there is available information and a history of a moral gradient in the treatment of workers, yeah, I try to make choices in that regard.
You’re engaging in an argument that might as well end at, “but we’re all going to be swallowed up by the sun in five billion years, so who gives a shit anyway?”.
Look, I’ve read Dostoevsky, too, and I get that there are problems associated with any course of action. Golly, I get it that when I step on the sidewalk I kill thousands of microbes. But after the age of 21, I figured out that the Underground Man was a bit of a mental masturbator. No course of action is perfect, but that doesn’t mean that some courses of action are not better than other courses of action. To make moral choices that are as clear as possible, you need information. Some information on apparel production is reasonably clear. Some information on apparel production is persistently obscured, with the glimpses that become available from time to time indicating the existence of thoroughly nasty shenanigans.
We have standards. We’ve articulated them. Ron Paul seems to have a different set of standards. That’s good to know, and it’s good for others to know.
“Before I sell my designs on shirts, you bet your sweet bippy I look it up. That’s a decision that affects a lot more people, so that’s a lot more primary. But at the personal level, I try to be conscious of my clothes purchases, too, and I certainly consider who produces them and where they come from. As I get older I try to learn more and more about what comes from where for various sorts of products, and that’s an ongoing process, but in those industries where there is available information and a history of a moral gradient in the treatment of workers, yeah, I try to make choices in that regard.â€
I agree. I am trying to find the limit.
“You’re engaging in an argument that might as well end at, ‘but we’re all going to be swallowed up by the sun in five billion years, so who gives a shit anyway?’ “
I’m trying to find out where to stop before I get that far.
“Look, I’ve read Dostoevsky, too, and I get that there are problems associated with any course of action. Golly, I get it that when I step on the sidewalk I kill thousands of microbes. But after the age of 21, I figured out that the Underground Man was a bit of a mental masturbator. No course of action is perfect, but that doesn’t mean that some courses of action are not better than other courses of action. To make moral choices that are as clear as possible, you need information. Some information on apparel production is reasonably clear. Some information on apparel production is persistently obscured, with the glimpses that become available from time to time indicating the existence of thoroughly nasty shenanigans.â€
I agree.
“We have standards. We’ve articulated them. Ron Paul seems to have a different set of standards. That’s good to know, and it’s good for others to know.â€
It is. But “seems to†can be eliminated with a simple call to the Ron Paul organization. Then you would know one way or the other, and could proclaim it without qualification.
Why rely on “apparently” when you can know for certain?
At community college campus event tonight, attendees were given T-shirts with a school logo. The tag said “Hanes Beefy-T Made in Dominican Republic”. I don’t think this is a union product and as a result I think it makes my butt look fat. But what to do. I have heard some schools only permit their logo on union or fair trade products. Is it worth the energy to try to influence school purchasing decisions? Where to start and whether to start. Program coordinator? Teacher? Union Rep? Would this turn into an endless energy drain?
Two websites may be helpful:
Students Against Sweatshops
Worker Rights Consortium
Yes, thx, hits the nail on the proverbial head, esp. the bilingual part. My current school is NOT on the list of schools that have joined the consortium.
Will attend tomorrow a function–the president of one of our schools will be there and I can put the website address in her hand. This issue is of great interest to students. I expect she has her finger on the political pulse of the community and will be sympathetic.
LoL!
Wheeeeew! Running out of ammo?
I think Irregular Times is made with black pixels manufactured in torture chambers in Yemen run by opium smuggling terrorist slave traders.
When you hippies are done arguing about Ron Paul and Chinese made T-Shirts….Come join the winners at the Fred Thompson Forum http://fredthompsonforum.com
The winners? I thought you meant the quitters.
That is what Fred Thompson did, right? He quit public service, in order to be a Hollywood actor and corporate lobbyist.
Quitter. Quitter. Quitter.
Quitters never win, and winners never quit.
Also, apparently, Fred Thompson’s supporters don’t care if American jobs are outsourced to foreign sweatshops where workers are abused. Wow, what an endorsement for Fred Thompson’s morality!
Ron Paul is so right on, people have to smear him, and make crap up.
If someone is willing to work for $0.20 an hour, I’m sure they desperately need that job, and I think it would be quite cruel to take that job away from them because you feel too high and mighty to buy something that was made from a sweat-shop.
-my 20 cents
Oh and Ron Paul’s voting record is impeccable. He has a team that reviews every bill to see if it is Constitutional, before deciding which way he will vote. If all politicians had done what he has done for the last 30 years, the US economy would be far more diverse, with each state trying a different approach to government -some socialist -some capitalist, leading to inter-state competition and an increase in government effectiveness and economic efficiency. Diversity means more forms are governance are tried and therefore a higher likelihood of good forms being discovered. Also, if all politicians honoured their oath to the Constitution like RP does, the US would not have a giant debt and a federal income tax that drains the whole nation.
Re: Fred Thompson: he gets massive support and campaign contributions from the pro-Israeli Jewish community in the US. He visited Israel and met Israeli leaders before deciding he would run. His supporters in the Fred Thompson forum frequently talk and joke about what forms of torture are their favorite on people who are muslim. They also frequently express their wish to see all of the middle east nuked. Fred Thompson would continue fighting wars for Israel courtesy of US tax payers and American blood. Fred Thompson is a stooge for special interests and his supporters are evil racists that don’t deserve the slightest bit of respect.
Ron Paul meanwhile has the highest amount of support and financial contributions from active military personel of any presidential candidate. He gets over 50% of his financial contributions from active military. Ronald Reagan:
“Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.”
Impeccable voting record?!? Voting to prevent people whose religious liberty has been violated from seeing justice through the courts? Voting to stop same-sex couples from adopting? Voting against recognizing the valuable work of Rosa Parks? Voting for nonsense provisions that insist on a radical Pro-Life agenda from the moment of fertilization?
Ron Paul’s voting record is hardly impeccable.
Fred Thompson is awful. Ron Paul is less awful than Fred Thompson, but still awful.
Where is your server made? How about your keyboard? Mouse? Welcome to the global economy.
There isn’t much choice when it comes to computer equipment. There IS an easy choice for Ron Paul to make when it comes to t-shirts for his campaign. Ron Paul has been informed of that choice, and he’s demonstrated that he just doesn’t give a damn.
Says Mike:
“If someone is willing to work for $0.20 an hour, I’m sure they desperately need that job, and I think it would be quite cruel to take that job away from them because you feel too high and mighty to buy something that was made from a sweat-shop.
-my 20 cents”
Where do you stop? What if someone is willing to work for a penny an hour? Food and water and signing away their rights to freedom of association, speech, and travel? People justified the continuation of slavery in America on exactly the same grounds that you use for overseas workers: hey, it’s better than nothing, and they’d starve if you didn’t continue the system.
How about this criterion: if you found out this was happening to your daughter, would you let it continue?
J. Clifford:
“Voting to prevent people whose religious liberty has been violated from seeing justice through the courts?”
Federal courts. The bill you are referring to would limit federal court jurisdiction. Religious liberty, sexual practices, orientation or reproduction, and same-sex marriage would be restored to the States, local governments, or the people. Removing federal jurisdiction helps prevent a federal definition of marriage by the courts, as well as any sweeping federal ban on same-sex marriage.
“Voting to stop same-sex couples from adopting?”
Not quite. He voted against federal funding in a bill regarding joint adoptions by couples under federal jurisdiction (D.C.) that are unrelated by birth or marriage. A predictable constitutional vote; if the bill had been to furnish ponies and puppies to the children, the vote would have been the same.
Voting against recognizing the valuable work of Rosa Parks?”
Whenever someone brings this up, it tips their hand that they’re either (1) dishonestly attempting to smear, or (2) carelessly repeating someone who committed (1). To my knowledge, Ron Paul is the only member of Congress willing to put up his own money to buy Congressional medals, which would make them honest *Congressional* medals, rather than forcing you to pay for medals for Rosa Parks, Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II, and–wait for it–Ronald Reagan. How do you feel about it now?
“Voting for nonsense provisions that insist on a radical Pro-Life agenda from the moment of fertilization?”
With respect to the bill you may be referring to, I believe the “radical Pro-Life agenda” (known elsewhere as “human life”) began at conception.
You mean discretion to have or not have religious liberty, sexual liberty, and reproductive liberty will be devolved to the states. Devolving the decision to the states decreases individual liberty in broad swaths of the nation.
No. This vote was not to federally defund adoptions in general. That was a later vote on the whole bill. Ron Paul specifically voted for an amendment that would retain funding for adoptions for heterosexual couples, but defund adoptions for gay couples. That’s unequal protection under the law.
I just received my order from the ronpaul2008 website of several Tshirts and hats.
All were MADE IN THE USA and the shirts had a sweatshop free label on them.
Also, the items are no longer coming from Cafe Press.
No longer coming through CafePress? I’ll check that out to see if it’s true. Thanks for the tip.
The top tier dems have no plan to quickly end the war. Folks on the left need to look right to find a solution.
Wow! You’re not paying attention jacmicwag. Just this week, some of the Democrats running for President offered plans to end the war quickly. This makes them top tier, in my book.
NICE NOTE – in same-size font at the top – in case anyone missed it!
[Note: As of fall 2007, Ron Paul has switched suppliers on caps and shirts and is relying solely on American Apparel, which manufactures in downtown Los Angeles. This makes the following article one of historical, not current, relevance.]