Comments on: Wiley Drake’s God is a Weak God or an Indifferent God

By: Kevin

Kevin — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:12:37 +0000

gaaaa yes u can….

“Napoleon: How is it that, although you say so much about the Universe, you say nothing about its Creator?

Laplace: No, Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.

Lagrange: Ah, but it is such a good hypothesis: it explains so many things!

Laplace: Indeed, Sire, Monsieur Lagrange has, with his usual sagacity, put his finger on the precise difficulty with the hypothesis:

it explains everything, but predicts nothing.[ii]”

We don’t NEED to believe in a god and are therefor a-theist. We don’t have any proof that there is a god or not and are therefor a-gnostic.

http://www.universaldarwinism.com/ee_7.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Greek-2004/Gnosis-Noesis.htm

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:04:37 +0000

“Seem” is a great word, because it makes any claim about another person possible. You could say I “seem” to be a cannibal, and it would be true. I may “seem” to you to know that there is no god. But I haven’t said it. I’ve said something different. Apply yourself to understand the difference between what I’ve said and what you say I “seem” to be saying.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:10:10 +0000

so you are only athiest… you seem to know that there is no God. You cant have it both ways…

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:27:40 +0000

No. No. There is no god I imagine would exist. I don’t see any reason to imagine that a god exists, in either the affirmative or subjunctive sense.

By: J. Clifford

J. Clifford — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:13:17 +0000

Anonymous, you don’t get it. There is no belief in a “possible god”. This storybook character of God you keep referring to is contrary to all knowledge I have of the world.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:21:21 +0000

so if a god exists for you it would be a god that no one can see or experiance and has no rules an no care to be part of anything on earth. this possible god of yours would leave no proof of eixtance and would let people do whatever feels good. this would be an absent god. if you believe in a possible god does that about cover the possiblity of who your god would be?

By: J. Clifford

J. Clifford — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:47:12 +0000

There’s a difference, Anonymous, between what religious people claim about the existence of the character of God, like a character in a story, and what an actual God would be, if such a God existed. There is no information of any sort about any actual God, none. All that exists are stories that people tell about God, the character. You’re trying to talk about this God thing, as if it’s real, but you don’t have any direct knowledge. Just stories. To be without theism is to acknowledge that all this God talk people do amounts only to stories, not knowledge of anything real.

When we slam gods, we slam the stories people tell about these divine characters, and we’re criticizing the stories in terms of the extremists political and cultural agendas that they’re used to support.

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:23:00 +0000

Then you aren’t reading closely enough to understand the hypothetical nature of the writing:

IF your God exists as you say it does, THEN from your own holy texts and the mouths of your preachers this is the nature of that God…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:16:26 +0000

but you do not claim a lack of knowledge about God. I have read these posts for a long time and have read almost all religious articles back to 2006 and you most defenitly claim knowledge about God. You spew how awful he is all of the time. In fact, you trash all gods in these articles. How can you have no knowledge and yet claim it in your writings?

By: Jim

Jim — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:12:14 +0000

No. “A” is a prefix referring to the concept “without.” An atheist is someone who lives without a theism. An atheist is a disbeliever, someone who does NOT believe in the existence of a god. An agnostic is someone who claims a lack of knowledge about whether there is a God, or two gods, or Zarathustra, or the Greek Pantheon, or not. The two do not contradict one another.