This autumn, President George W. Bush has presented a budget that proposed cutting $100 million dollars for Head Start pre-school educational programs. The consequences aren’t just financial. The future success of 30,000 children who will have to be eliminated from Head Start programs if Bush’s budget cut gets through Congress is at risk.
Is saving $100 million dollars really worth it?
The pre-school education of those 30,000 at-risk children could be more than paid for by the closure of the illegal American gulag at Guantanamo Bay. The annual budget of the Guantanamo Bay prisons is about $125 million a year.
Torture or toddlers? Which do your values support?
(Sources: National Education Association, October 24, 2007; Albuquerque Tribune, June 30, 2007)
Guantanamo Bay is not illegal.
It is unconstitutional. Get your facts straight! UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Not illegal. Come on, your so biased!
Joseph, I try to be a fairly well-spoken guy but your stupidity has finally irked me.
Stop being a fuckhead.
Illegal. Against the Geneva Conventions. Geneva Conventions have the force of law over American government. Illegal. Impeachable. High high high high crime.
First of all, whoever did comment #2 was not me.
Second of all, it’s not illegal. Please tell me what part of the Geneva conventions makes it illegal. Because there isn’t a section. At least not one I can find, and also not one our courts can find.
And as a second point, the whole underlying assumption of international law/treaties is that all other actors are STATE actors and other nations will follow them. Terrorists are not “soldiers” they are not “prisoners of war”, so you tell me where they agreed to the Geneva convention.
Will you stop, person in #5? I am Joseph. You are some other person. I am getting tired of this. I would never argue that, because it sooo ignores the Hunley Civic Preservation Act of 1962. Look it up, whoever you are. And stop it.
Joseph, you are single-handedly destroying the claim that Unity08 is an organization for moderates. Your Act overrules the Geneva Convention, does it? No, no, it doesn’t. And no, there’s no exemption from the laws regarding the treatment of prisoners just because a prisoner isn’t a prisoner for a government.
My act? The person who posted #6 isn’t me.
As for the Geneva Convention, I’m feeling somewhat lazy, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions points out that the Geneva convention deals primarily with PRISONERS OF WAR and NON-COMBATANTS (in war). The signatories to the Geneva conventions did not anticipate dealing with terrorist groups. And besides that, the whole point of this is that Guantanamo is not illegal. And there isn’t anything that makes Guantanamo illegal.
None of these Josephs is the real Joseph. I am the real Joseph. The legality AND constitutionality of torture has been indisputably and irreversibly proven by the Institute of Hereditary Biology and Racial Hygiene.
Put Joseph’s blather aside. He is sidestepping the issue that matters most.
There is a budgetary choice that has to be made.
Choice #1: Keep Guantanamo Bay, an shameful prison that has ruined the reputation of the USA around the world, open.
Choice #2: Keep 30,000 at-risk toddlers in Head Start preschool, and pay off an extra $25 million dollars per year from the budget deficit.
Even if you accept Joseph’s nonsensical, fantasy-based claims that Guantanamo Bay isn’t using illegal torture techniques, the choice seems clear to me: Choice #2.
Joseph, it seems, supports a shameful gulag over American toddlers and fiscal responsibility. Progressives see things differently.
I like Peregin’s choices. Lets go with them.
With Choice #2, you release a lot of people, many of whom were acting against the United States, to go back to their countries and kill more Americans. You spend a lot of money transporting them back, and then they just turn around and kill us or our troops overseas.
With Choice #1, you find other funding for Head Start, and you keep people who are threats to America detained.
Peregrin, it seems, supports releasing people to kill American soldiers and civilians over finding other funding for toddlers. Progressives see things differently.
Why don’t we send the children to Guantanamo and train them as soldiers. There, now everyone’s happy.
The children certainly aren’t happy, Ogden.
As for Peregrin’s #2, you don’t release them. You put them on trial, Joseph you dolt.
Yeah, Ogden, let’s send the kids. After all, the conservatives say the Guantanamo Bay detention facility is better than summer camp! So they shouldn’t have any problem sending their kids there for a couple of weeks. Right?