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	<title>Comments on: Markey Waxman Energy Bill Skimps On Conservation</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, we&#039;re going to censor you -- why, you are so persecuted!  You wish.

There are loads of substances that are &quot;essential elements of life&quot; in some contexts and pollutants or health threats in others.  Hydrogen, carbon and oxygen are three of these.  Try rolling in benzene some time and see how that works for you.  What is benzene made of?  Try breathing in some O3 and see how your lungs do; yet, it protects us in certain conditions from tumors.  For that matter, try putting yourself in a room filled with carbon dioxide and see how that essential element of life treats you.  Even arsenic has its uses in certain amounts and for certain ends.  Our reaction to elements and molecules and substances is conditional.  Allow yourself to think conditionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, we&#8217;re going to censor you &#8212; why, you are so persecuted!  You wish.</p>
<p>There are loads of substances that are &#8220;essential elements of life&#8221; in some contexts and pollutants or health threats in others.  Hydrogen, carbon and oxygen are three of these.  Try rolling in benzene some time and see how that works for you.  What is benzene made of?  Try breathing in some O3 and see how your lungs do; yet, it protects us in certain conditions from tumors.  For that matter, try putting yourself in a room filled with carbon dioxide and see how that essential element of life treats you.  Even arsenic has its uses in certain amounts and for certain ends.  Our reaction to elements and molecules and substances is conditional.  Allow yourself to think conditionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Carbonicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbonicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenman and Jim - T lu is right and you are wrong. 

Greenman, 33.3. percent is a big change, in percentage terms. In molecular terms, it&#039;s still 1 in 10,000. Nice try. T Lu is also correct about historic CO2 levels - before humans ever started burning fossil fuels - and the fact that you have been living off the energy from the earth&#039;s productivity during that time.

Jim, arsenic is a known pollutant. It is not an essential element of life, like carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. You are comparing apples to orangutans (not even oranges).

To both, know how much of the tax raised from cap and trade is going to &quot;alternative energy R&amp;D&quot;? About 23%. Know where the balance is going? A) to +/- 40 new federal dept./agencies to administer CO2 programs/cap &amp; rape, and B) Obama&#039;s &quot;wealth redistribution&quot; (aka middle class tax cuts).  This isn&#039;t about the environment.  Green jobs? At least one and as many as 4 &quot;dirty&quot; jobs will be eliminated for each &quot;green&quot; job created.  

These figures are easily checked, but your mindset doesn&#039;t want to know facts, especially if it stands in the way of your &quot;green agenda&quot;.

In short, CO2 isn&#039;t a &quot;pollutant&quot; except in politics, and this is about wealth redistribution.  You are eco-socialist who know NOTHING about atmospheric science and related cost/benefit analysis.  You are simply watermelons: green on the outside and red on the inside.

Hope you have the balls to allow this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenman and Jim &#8211; T lu is right and you are wrong. </p>
<p>Greenman, 33.3. percent is a big change, in percentage terms. In molecular terms, it&#8217;s still 1 in 10,000. Nice try. T Lu is also correct about historic CO2 levels &#8211; before humans ever started burning fossil fuels &#8211; and the fact that you have been living off the energy from the earth&#8217;s productivity during that time.</p>
<p>Jim, arsenic is a known pollutant. It is not an essential element of life, like carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. You are comparing apples to orangutans (not even oranges).</p>
<p>To both, know how much of the tax raised from cap and trade is going to &#8220;alternative energy R&amp;D&#8221;? About 23%. Know where the balance is going? A) to +/- 40 new federal dept./agencies to administer CO2 programs/cap &amp; rape, and B) Obama&#8217;s &#8220;wealth redistribution&#8221; (aka middle class tax cuts).  This isn&#8217;t about the environment.  Green jobs? At least one and as many as 4 &#8220;dirty&#8221; jobs will be eliminated for each &#8220;green&#8221; job created.  </p>
<p>These figures are easily checked, but your mindset doesn&#8217;t want to know facts, especially if it stands in the way of your &#8220;green agenda&#8221;.</p>
<p>In short, CO2 isn&#8217;t a &#8220;pollutant&#8221; except in politics, and this is about wealth redistribution.  You are eco-socialist who know NOTHING about atmospheric science and related cost/benefit analysis.  You are simply watermelons: green on the outside and red on the inside.</p>
<p>Hope you have the balls to allow this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Nazi-ish presentation of global warming science?  When did Adolph Hitler kill people in the name of climate?  When did we gas children here at Irregular TImes in order to promote awareness of global warming?

t lu, look at things in perspective - what you&#039;re talking about is a dramatic shift.  From 3  parts per 10,000 to 4 parts to 10,000 is an increase of 33.3 percent.  That&#039;s a big change.

Do you know what a small amount of arsenic in your blood is required to kill you?  Would you argue that that small level means that the arsenic doesn&#039;t matter?  Get real - one drop of mercury in your morning coffee would drop you flat, but are you going to say that you don&#039;t need to worry about it, because it&#039;s just a drop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Nazi-ish presentation of global warming science?  When did Adolph Hitler kill people in the name of climate?  When did we gas children here at Irregular TImes in order to promote awareness of global warming?</p>
<p>t lu, look at things in perspective &#8211; what you&#8217;re talking about is a dramatic shift.  From 3  parts per 10,000 to 4 parts to 10,000 is an increase of 33.3 percent.  That&#8217;s a big change.</p>
<p>Do you know what a small amount of arsenic in your blood is required to kill you?  Would you argue that that small level means that the arsenic doesn&#8217;t matter?  Get real &#8211; one drop of mercury in your morning coffee would drop you flat, but are you going to say that you don&#8217;t need to worry about it, because it&#8217;s just a drop?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you realize that arsenic is deadly at less than 100 ppm -- equal to less than 1 part in 10,000???  All the arsenic that exists was created by God Almighty, so why do you have a problem with it?  All the ranting and hysterical reaction about &quot;death&quot; by arsenic poisoning is about 1 part of arsenic for every 10,000 parts of other liquid or soil.  ONE IN TEN THOUSAND!  How can any sensible person believe...

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And if you complain that I&#039;m making fun of you, you&#039;re a NAZI -- just like that Luftwaffe goon Al Gore.

8;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you realize that arsenic is deadly at less than 100 ppm &#8212; equal to less than 1 part in 10,000???  All the arsenic that exists was created by God Almighty, so why do you have a problem with it?  All the ranting and hysterical reaction about &#8220;death&#8221; by arsenic poisoning is about 1 part of arsenic for every 10,000 parts of other liquid or soil.  ONE IN TEN THOUSAND!  How can any sensible person believe&#8230;</p>
<p>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</p>
<p>And if you complain that I&#8217;m making fun of you, you&#8217;re a NAZI &#8212; just like that Luftwaffe goon Al Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: t lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>t lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you realize that CO2 at the current level of 385 ppm is equal to less than 4 parts in 10,000???  Three of those four parts of CO2 were placed there by mother nature.  All of your ranting and hysterical reaction is about 1 part of CO2 for every 10,000 parts of other atmospheric gas.  ONE IN TEN THOUSAND!  How can any sensible person believe that 1/10,000 parts of a beneficial gas like CO2 will cause a global catastrophe.  What will happen if we continue to use fossil fuels is that the earth will become a greener planet.  During the Jurrasic period, the level of CO2 was three times that of today!  Please stop your NAZIish presentation of Al Gores junk science which is being used to achieve a political goal!  Do some homework... I promise the truth will set you free!
 
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2_CO2_Scandal.pdf

http://www.oism.org/pproject/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you realize that CO2 at the current level of 385 ppm is equal to less than 4 parts in 10,000???  Three of those four parts of CO2 were placed there by mother nature.  All of your ranting and hysterical reaction is about 1 part of CO2 for every 10,000 parts of other atmospheric gas.  ONE IN TEN THOUSAND!  How can any sensible person believe that 1/10,000 parts of a beneficial gas like CO2 will cause a global catastrophe.  What will happen if we continue to use fossil fuels is that the earth will become a greener planet.  During the Jurrasic period, the level of CO2 was three times that of today!  Please stop your NAZIish presentation of Al Gores junk science which is being used to achieve a political goal!  Do some homework&#8230; I promise the truth will set you free!</p>
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