Americans for Freedom of Information Website Appears
posted 6th May 2009 in Barack Obama, Liberal Links, Mysteries, Politics by Jim
A few days ago, I said that the Americans for Freedom of Information — a supposed group claiming to have obtained a college transcript proving Barack Obama’s Indonesian citizenship as one “Barry Soetoro” — had no presence whatsoever on the world wide web. Now I stand corrected.
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You seem to be extraordinarily defensive. I don’t recall insinuating any stupidity on your part. I’m simply saying that I don’t agree with you.
Oddly, beyond the so-called certified copy of Obama’s certificate, you have no evidence proving that he is, indeed, a US citizen. As for my brother’s birth certificate, he has the original, the hospital version and a “certified” copy and it is the “certified” copy I have used for my comparison. In my own view, I don’t accept the “Obama photocopy”, because the seal and the folds are highly visible on a photocopy of my brother’s document. Perhaps our equipment is better than the government’s. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time and ours cost a LOT less.
Point is, you sound defensive and hostile, too bad. I imagine that, eventually things will catch up to Mr. Obama and then the debate will finally be over. Until that time, you might try to relax a little. I’ve said about all I have to say here.
Peace to you.
You misunderstand me. I’m not angry at you; I’m chuckling at you.
I’m chuckling while I’m saying you must think I’m stupid not to have checked on the really embarrassing audio of some guy with an axe to grind trying to get an old lady to say her grandson was born in Kenya, getting multiple indications from her and other of Obama’s relatives that no, Obama was born in the U.S., and getting at best her to ask the quizzical question “Mombasa?”
Beyond the *actual, certified* birth certificate of Barack Obama, I don’t need any more evidence proving he is, indeed, a US citizen. It’s been proven.
Show me where it has been proven! The certificate of live birth is NOT a Birth certificate from Hawaii. Look it up. I have not seen one for Obama anywhere. It would have his foot print, the attending physician’s signature, and the mother’s thumb print etc, etc, I am a nurse and I worked on the Obstetrics Floor and I took the prints on newborns and mothers. A way to ID babies. Makes sense doesn’t it?
Liz, you’re either a liar about what you do or professionally deluded about birth certificates, which in Hawaii and elsewhere do not include foot prints, thumb prints, “etc etc.”
Liz is right. There are thousands, if not millions of people who have certificates of live births from Hawaii that were not born there. It is such a weak defense for where one is born, that the Obama administration has fought tooth and nail to make sure any document that could show otherwise is suppressed. When taken to court to concerning his birthplace, instead of showing his birth certificate, or any other document that might hold up (Unfortunately for Obama, a Certificate Of Live Birth aka COLB, is not admissible) and ask for a dismissal on frivolous grounds, he say privacy issues. If that doesn’t raise flags, then you are showing a strong and blinding bias.
But it IS admissible, and it IS the official document, as the Governor of the State of Hawaii and the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health (the department responsible for birth certificates) have BOTH declared repeatedly and unequivocally. Both are Republicans.
You’re just pulling these claims out of your bee-hind.
Beyond the *actual, certified* birth certificate of Barack Obama, I don’t need any more evidence proving he is, indeed, a US citizen. It’s been proven.
So have the 29 social security numbers Obama’s been using…
Speaking of things that have been “proven,” perhaps you would like to have a look at the East African Standard (Nairobi, Kenya) newspaper article for June 27th, 2004: The headline says “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate”. It’s an Associated Press-archived article; you can have a look at it at http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Kenyans know where Obama was born — why don’t you?
Jim,
That’s pitiful that you call Liz a liar, because I must be one too. I’ve seen MY birth certificate, and it has my footprints and also my mothers fingerprints.
I called her a liar or professionally deluded.
Are you from Hawaii? Do Hawaii birth certificates require footprints?
No. They do not.
why would Hawaii do things different than the other 49 states…..don’t they all have a birth certificate with the footprint and name of attending physician etc.? True Hawaii does have a “register” that it began as a new state ( to garner population count for representation in D.C.)….but I repeat…why would it’s hospitals not record a BIRTH IN THEIR OWN HOSPITAL any different than any other hospital in the U.S…..it’s not like they were one of the first states and therefore hadn’t established a standardized form and procedure.
You’re assuming that official birth certificates in the other 49 states have footprints on them. Mine doesn’t, and I wasn’t born in Hawaii, either. My childrens’ don’t, and they were born in two other states.
You appear to be confused about the difference between hospital records — which may or may not include a footprint — and the legal document called a birth certificate. Next time, before you get outraged why don’t you do a little research?
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Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
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Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
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“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”
Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.
The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.
“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody.”
The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.
The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.
“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.
As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”
—AP
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I think this issue of the Kenya Sunday Standard says it all. Please go to their web sight and read it for yourself.
This wasn’t hard to find, why hasen’t this been publisized? I thought newscasters were hired to find news of interest..hmmm
Toni
It hasn’t been publicized because it’s an error. Newspapers make errors. Other newspapers have declared Barack Obama to be a Muslim and a Zionist and a Christian and a Buddhist and an Illuminati plant of the Rotschilds and… why, it must all be true!
Why doesn’t anyone get it? “Natural Born Citizen”- The POTUS has to be a natural born citizen of the US. This means that BOTH parents have to be US Citizens which his father was NOT. ALL the rest is immaterial!
Mm, no. Not according to U.S. law. No. You’re just incorrect, which is highly material.
Hey Jim, why would Obama not want people to see his real passport from when he was a kid and, Real birth certificate not copy? Why would he spend almost a million dollars to keep from having to show them, and or produce the real copies? Its kind of convient for him not to show them like all the rest of the presidents had to; but then he is the first president to spend a million dollars to keep it out of the publics reach! Its funny, he’s the only president that was never vetted correctly, by all the news organizations. It wouldn’t suurprise me if he wasn’t a US citizen. If he’s truely an American, let him show his real passport from when he was a kid traveling throughout the world. Another thing, In order to go to a muslim school in Jakarta, wouldn’t you also have to be in the muslim faith? Its not like a regular school, or a Catholic school. Then when he came back to the United states he had to have a passport, lets see the real one! If he has nothing to hide, lets see all the real paperwork, and not stuff that a 2nd grader could make up! I don’t trust him at all, and everything he’s promised, has all been a lie! Transparency, a lie, reducing the deficit, a lie, bringing both parties together, a lie, reducing unemployment, a lie!….. It just goes on and on and on! I guess the one that irks me the most; pork barrel spending, didn’t he run with the promise to stop pork barrel spending? And his thug tactics “the Chicago way”! Hey jim, are you from Hawaii; probably not. It sounds to me your a supposedly know it all, that doesn’t know shit! If you take your head out, maybe just maybe people wouldn’t call you an A’hole! Yes thats true, and maybe if you want to prove US wrong, show us his passport from when he was a child, and a real passport. And to tell you the truth, people also say Hawaii, doesn’t have the original? Let me guess, the dog ate it, or it burned up by spontaneus combustion, or they just happened to only throw out his Birth certificate! If it was one thing that happened, maybe! But him going out, and spending almost a million dollars, your Crazy to believe a single word the beast says!……
DocGreen writes:
“…Real birth certificate not copy? Why would he spend almost a million dollars to keep from having to show them, and or produce the real copies? Its kind of convient for him not to show them like all the rest of the presidents had to; but then he is the first president to spend a million dollars to keep it out of the publics reach!…”
and then rants on the basis of these claims.
But:
1. Obama HAS shown his birth certificate, verified and certified by Republicans in the appropriate offices in the state government of Hawaii, and
2. I have for nearly a year now been challenging every person who makes the claim about Barack Obama spending “almost a million dollars” on legal fees to cover up his “real” birth certificate. My challenge: show me the documentation of these supposed expenses! And now I challenge you to do that, Docgreen. Show me the documentation of the supposed million-dollar legal fees to accomplish this. Just like every single other person who makes this claim, you’ll fail to do so — because there is no such documentation, because the claim is entirely FICTITIOUS.
You can call me an asshole or a know-it-all or crazy all you like, Docgreen, but it won’t distract from the substantive issue at hand. The substantive issue is that what you and your fellow conspiracy theorists are saying is UNTRUE. Demonstrably untrue.
Hey Jim, let me ask you one question. When your born into the muslim faith, and you go to a muslim school; can you just up and quit the muslim faith? No! People get killed everyday for muslims converting to other faiths. Its a mandate fo there religion, they don’t have a choice! This is why most muslims don’t go to other religions, they know if they do, theres a big bullseye on there back for the rest of there lives. They don’t get a choice to choose!