Comments on: How Do You Know Satan Didn’t Write the Bible? http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/ When old landmarks crumble, established roads no longer lead the way. New paths open to those with an irregular eye. Our news is unfit for print. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:34:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jacob http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-610915 Jacob Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:29:15 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-610915 Try that in a court of law. Tell the judge, "I know I broke the law but I tried to a be a kind and loving person." and see how far that gets you. God by His very nature is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. You must repent and trust in jesus Christ alone. Hell is full of 'kind and loving people' in the eyes of the world Try that in a court of law. Tell the judge, “I know I broke the law but I tried to a be a kind and loving person.” and see how far that gets you. God by His very nature is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. You must repent and trust in jesus Christ alone. Hell is full of ‘kind and loving people’ in the eyes of the world

]]> By: mom http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-610911 mom Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:14:50 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-610911 I have felt (even when I was a kid) that if the bible is the word of god, but has been in the hands of man for so long, how many times has it been altered to suit mankinds wants & needs? We all know there were points in time where lots of people didn't even read, and religion & hell seemed to be used as a tool to keep them in line. So if god sent jesus here to die on the cross for our sins (because he knew we are all sinners to some extent)then why are we believing in hell? And if hell was just sort of added to keep people in check what else was too? I think I personally could only view the bible as the earliest history book. And I can try to be the kindest, most loving person I know how to be, and in my time of judgment if I know I did the best I can god will know too. I have felt (even when I was a kid) that if the bible is the word of god, but has been in the hands of man for so long, how many times has it been altered to suit mankinds wants & needs? We all know there were points in time where lots of people didn’t even read, and religion & hell seemed to be used as a tool to keep them in line. So if god sent jesus here to die on the cross for our sins (because he knew we are all sinners to some extent)then why are we believing in hell?
And if hell was just sort of added to keep people in check what else was too? I think I personally could only view the bible as the earliest history book. And I can try to be the kindest, most loving person I know how to be, and in my time of judgment if I know I did the best I can god will know too.

]]> By: Anville http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-575183 Anville Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:20:01 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-575183 I've just been pondering the same ideas and came across this thread. It's really an epistemological issue: what do we know, and how do we know it. As another approach, change the Satanic authorship to some other long-lived and persuasive entity or entities. Maybe he/they are just fucking with us, or possibly performing an experiment, by presenting a totally incorrect cosmological view of a monotheistic world with a single creator topped off with a good/evil struggle. Old Loki is having a laugh every time the "Old Time Gospel Hour" comes on TV. Nice job, Jim. You really cut to the heart of the matter of the chain of trust of religious doctrine! I’ve just been pondering the same ideas and came across this thread. It’s really an epistemological issue: what do we know, and how do we know it.

As another approach, change the Satanic authorship to some other long-lived and persuasive entity or entities. Maybe he/they are just fucking with us, or possibly performing an experiment, by presenting a totally incorrect cosmological view of a monotheistic world with a single creator topped off with a good/evil struggle. Old Loki is having a laugh every time the “Old Time Gospel Hour” comes on TV.

Nice job, Jim. You really cut to the heart of the matter of the chain of trust of religious doctrine!

]]> By: dee$ http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-571590 dee$ Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:28:02 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-571590 ok the bible is tho only book that has prophecies which have all come true except for one 100% the book is infallible it is inerrant it does not contradict itself. satan i belive has had his way with the bible but in it it says that u must discern the truth from the bible on your own with Gods help not to read it and believe every single scripture thats my piece on it holla ok the bible is tho only book that has prophecies which have all come true except for one 100% the book is infallible it is inerrant it does not contradict itself. satan i belive has had his way with the bible but in it it says that u must discern the truth from the bible on your own with Gods help not to read it and believe every single scripture thats my piece on it holla

]]> By: Jim http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-571160 Jim Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:39:40 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-571160 Your arguments are full of logical and empirical leaps. Example 1: "If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real." The first sentence is true only if the Satan character <i>never</i> says anything that is true, which is not so declared in the Bible unless I'm really missing out on a verse. You set up a logical "straw man" version of the Satan character in order to blow him down with a puff of air. Example 2: "Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn’t real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong?" Empirically speaking, there have been many atheists who, using non-religious standards without reference to God, have decided that adultery and killing and lying is wrong. They use a different standard. You also assume that people cannot come up with standards unless they are really real. People come up with imaginary-based standards all the time. The absurd implication of your argument is that every religious society with a standard must be embracing a true religion, which would mean that every religion leading to any moral standards must be telling the truth. Since different religions contradict one another, this can't be true, which should be a sign to you that your argument is off-kilter. The rest of your writing is similarly off-kilter. Your arguments are full of logical and empirical leaps.

Example 1: “If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real.”

The first sentence is true only if the Satan character never says anything that is true, which is not so declared in the Bible unless I’m really missing out on a verse. You set up a logical “straw man” version of the Satan character in order to blow him down with a puff of air.

Example 2: “Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn’t real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong?”

Empirically speaking, there have been many atheists who, using non-religious standards without reference to God, have decided that adultery and killing and lying is wrong. They use a different standard. You also assume that people cannot come up with standards unless they are really real. People come up with imaginary-based standards all the time. The absurd implication of your argument is that every religious society with a standard must be embracing a true religion, which would mean that every religion leading to any moral standards must be telling the truth. Since different religions contradict one another, this can’t be true, which should be a sign to you that your argument is off-kilter.

The rest of your writing is similarly off-kilter.

]]> By: Person http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-571112 Person Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:48:00 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-571112 By what I can see the main question here seems like a Catch-22. Think about it. If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real. This implication is complete crap. Any person with sense should realize that if this were true it must be untrue for if the Bible was not true than there is no Satan and there is no God, so then man is the one and only true author of the Bible, however, by man being unreliable and deceitful we fall into the same place. Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn't real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong? These things are fun, they provide pleasure and so on, so why make it wrong? You see God must be real in order for that to hold true, it doesn't make sense not to. Now if you look at Satan for he is the one that deceives people and makes them do "bad" things. But if he made people write untrue things, why would he make himself out to be the bad guy in the story? Makes no sense. And if man alone wrote the Bible that must make it untrue. however, this doesn't hold either. Because man is considered unjust, deceitful and immoral. But how do we determine this if God does not exist? and if Satan doesn't exist to tempt them to do bad things? So man could never have done anything bad, so if just man wrote it then everything it must be true, but then that means that its God inspired and Satan is real, but Satan inspired it then its all false and then man wrote it, but they are now perfect for there is nothing to consider it wrong or right so nothing has order and everything is random. But as we have learned by every scientist and artist and historian and mathematician we see that everything has order and random does not exist, because forces and thought make it happen, so therefore man could not have written it alone because if he did then it all contradicts. God had to have inspired the Bible because if He did not then everything in the universe would contradict! Therefore the statement doesn't make sense and is self defeating, it is a Catch-22, a paradox, a contradiction in itself. By what I can see the main question here seems like a Catch-22. Think about it. If Satan the deceiver was the author of the Bible then the entire Bible is unreliable and untrue. However, this means that God and Satan, Heaven and Hell are also not real. This implication is complete crap. Any person with sense should realize that if this were true it must be untrue for if the Bible was not true than there is no Satan and there is no God, so then man is the one and only true author of the Bible, however, by man being unreliable and deceitful we fall into the same place. Of course we must realize that God is the standard of good, for how do you determine if something is right or wrong with out a standard. And if God isn’t real, who and how did we determine that to be the standard, for who in their right mind would decide that adultery and killing and lying and stealing etc. is wrong? These things are fun, they provide pleasure and so on, so why make it wrong? You see God must be real in order for that to hold true, it doesn’t make sense not to. Now if you look at Satan for he is the one that deceives people and makes them do “bad” things. But if he made people write untrue things, why would he make himself out to be the bad guy in the story? Makes no sense. And if man alone wrote the Bible that must make it untrue. however, this doesn’t hold either. Because man is considered unjust, deceitful and immoral. But how do we determine this if God does not exist? and if Satan doesn’t exist to tempt them to do bad things? So man could never have done anything bad, so if just man wrote it then everything it must be true, but then that means that its God inspired and Satan is real, but Satan inspired it then its all false and then man wrote it, but they are now perfect for there is nothing to consider it wrong or right so nothing has order and everything is random. But as we have learned by every scientist and artist and historian and mathematician we see that everything has order and random does not exist, because forces and thought make it happen, so therefore man could not have written it alone because if he did then it all contradicts. God had to have inspired the Bible because if He did not then everything in the universe would contradict! Therefore the statement doesn’t make sense and is self defeating, it is a Catch-22, a paradox, a contradiction in itself.

]]> By: James http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-566894 James Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:24:17 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-566894 Because, like God, Satan is make believe. That's how we know he didn't write the bible. Because, like God, Satan is make believe. That’s how we know he didn’t write the bible.

]]> By: Me http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-565622 Me Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:34:54 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-565622 I too see the bible as inspired by men as in masons. Meaning god is very evil in the old test. So this onlymakes sense that he is not we know Jim to be. Our world is run by sec societies that do not care about any of our faiths . Thinkabout this the masons bid themselves to an Egyptian deity , Allah, and are luciferians and we are all not Muslim yet we are at war with them. So why would we think that these kind MEN that stat Jesus is their highest mason let us get to the right heaven? What only to trick us at the end of time. I did not know lucifer was so kind not to mention Allah. Now they also worship another god with a ja in the begining oh the name so this also means jahova. In any event secrets equal conspiracies like it or not. We follow ra! All religions follow ra! Nothing more nothing less. I too see the bible as inspired by men as in masons. Meaning god is very evil in the old test. So this onlymakes sense that he is not we know Jim to be. Our world is run by sec societies that do not care about any of our faiths . Thinkabout this the masons bid themselves to an Egyptian deity , Allah, and are luciferians and we are all not Muslim yet we are at war with them. So why would we think that these kind MEN that stat Jesus is their highest mason let us get to the right heaven? What only to trick us at the end of time. I did not know lucifer was so kind not to mention Allah. Now they also worship another god with a ja in the begining oh the name so this also means jahova. In any event secrets equal conspiracies like it or not. We follow ra! All religions follow ra! Nothing more nothing less.

]]> By: D http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-565476 D Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:49:41 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-565476 What witnesses? All of the witnesses are listed in the bible. Jesus put nothing on paper himself. Paul corrupted Jesus' original message. Jesus didn't want to preach to the gentiles. Matthew 10:5-6 "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." It wasn't until Paul came along and found that many Jews didn't want to accept his message that he went to the gentiles. Then he proceeded to change what was a branch of the Jewish faith into something entirely different. Paul says he received all of these messages from Jesus, but he never actually met Jesus. G you are obviously a smart guy and you try to make good arguments. You recognize other points of view and that's more than I can say for many Christians. However, if you are only going to use the bible for your source, you are going to find yourself lacking in firepower and logical arguments. What witnesses? All of the witnesses are listed in the bible. Jesus put nothing on paper himself. Paul corrupted Jesus’ original message. Jesus didn’t want to preach to the gentiles.

Matthew 10:5-6
“These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.”

It wasn’t until Paul came along and found that many Jews didn’t want to accept his message that he went to the gentiles. Then he proceeded to change what was a branch of the Jewish faith into something entirely different. Paul says he received all of these messages from Jesus, but he never actually met Jesus.

G you are obviously a smart guy and you try to make good arguments. You recognize other points of view and that’s more than I can say for many Christians. However, if you are only going to use the bible for your source, you are going to find yourself lacking in firepower and logical arguments.

]]> By: S http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/08/08/how-do-you-know-satan-didnt-write-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-565458 S Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:13 +0000 http://irregulartimes.com/?p=13500#comment-565458 How about this- Satan could not have written it because he is fictional? Of course, I think "God" is fictional too. How about this- Satan could not have written it because he is fictional? Of course, I think “God” is fictional too.

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