November 2008: Americans are warned by Republican-aligned organizations that Barack Obama will certainly, if elected President, take away their guns.
December 2009: This storefront, promising Fast Cash & Guns, is photographed just outside of Alpena, Michigan.
Did the North American Union send out its jack booted thugs without a road map of Michigan, or are they just too busy printing out posters honoring Joseph Stalin and Che Guevara to have started the gun confiscation project yet?
How do all the broke, foreclosed on, homeless citizens buy these expensive weapons, support them (gotta keep ‘em clean, oiled and loaded to be of any use), and carry them around at all times (probably even sleep with them)? Nothing better to do?
i keep waiting for a revolution, long overdue, that never seems to arrive. If it hasn’t happened with all that’s going on, when exactly will it occur (ie. what will trigger it)?
Well, i have a crossword puzzle i’m working on. Let me know when the great insurrection occurs.
complacency. while the middle class losses ground and the poor grow in numbers, there will come a time when the rich get their due. if you are not living in the streets (yet) then you are not ready to revolt. by the time your belongings are put out on the curb, you have no means to muster a revolution. you need cash and guns. you probably had to sell your gun for some cash to spend at mcdonalds. maybe that’s the evil communist conspiricy to get our guns. pawn shops.
What will trigger it? When those that voted him in are educated by those of us who saw thru him for what he was and continues to be–an unpatriot, unamerican, could care less president along with both speakers and the rest of the hard marxist card carrting socialists in the house and senate are voted out of office we will then start a new day in our republic and reverse the damages done before us by those who hate its citizens, THE VOTING BOOTHS NEED PROTECTION FROM ACRON-LIKE ORGANIZERS COUNRTING DEAD VOTERS TO INFLATE THE DEMOCRATIC VOTES AND FROM THOSE TRHAT VOTED MULTIPLE TIMES.
“Acron-like organizers”? Is that a notebook binder made out of synthetic fabrics, or something?
From the weak, so-called “logic” of this “argument”, I guess because I am looking out my window at vast piles of snow on the ground, I should not be worried about the possibility of
future global warming.
I guess that’s just a “convenient” picture.
I do know a couple of just-as-useful anecdotal information bits:
In a rural county near me in New York, a county judge has been denying (IIRC) about 3X as many permits for guns as the others in the same county and nearby, for apparently little or no legitimate reasons. He just doesn’t think citizens should really own guns.
I don’t hunt or shoot anything, but when we bought a rural property to get off grid, my wife bought me rifle for my birthday. She figured all the “deliverance” neighbors had guns, so I needed one to fit in, I guess.
I do target shoot with it once in a while, and the rifle ammo is pretty expensive. So I bought a chamber adapter that lets you slide in cheapo small arms ammunition, which is way cheaper, and doesn’t kick like the rifle, either.
I bought the adapters mail-order, but thought I would go to a local store to buy the ammunition. I found out that no store will sell me the ammunition without seeing a handgun permit first, which of course I do not have.
I went to several sporting goods stores to find any that would let me. I was told that there is no New York Law restricting their sale to me. However, the stores have been warned apparently by various groups that they will be watched and picketed if they do not voluntarily submit to this restriction. They will not even sell you a holster without a permit. Even though the barrel adapters and what I am attempting to do is completely legal.
If all I want to do is target shoot for fun and making some little noise, I think this is B.S. I can order it mail order, BTW, without problems!
Chuckle, it’s not at all the same logic, because there’s mountains of evidence for global warming, and there’s no evidence whatsoever of any massive gun seizure program by President Obama, as was threatened.
Like there was plenty of evidence that Bork was going to take away abortion rights, a la Ted kennedy?
So I guess ideas and concepts are not important in judging future action.
And anyway, if we want to make comparisons with global warming, let’s go.
We’re predicting long-term (on a applicable scale) events based on what’s gone on in, for the sake of argument, the last century or two, in points of temps, CO2, etc.
If I compare the ease of ownership/purchase of firearms in New York of a hundred or two years ago to the restrictions of today, I think it can be argued that the trending of the laws are going to reach a state of complete banning by the year 2040 or 2050.
(I think those were the dates Al Gore said the North Pole ice caps would be completely gone)
I’m just drawing an projection, based on my hockey stick…..
Wait a minute, Chuckie. Are you seriously saying that trends over the last two hundred years are evidence that Obama is trying to take away your guns?
I don’t think I could pry a single item of reason out your cold, dead brains.
Good Show!!!!
I wondered how long it would take to start throwing in an ad hominem statement, like I am brain dead. You certainly don’t disappoint, at least in the mud throwing sense.
But of course, I never said that Obama was taking or planning to take anything away, in all cold, hard actuality. That’s merely your projection, of what you would like to have had me say.
That’s unfortunately the problem with most so-called debate and what passes for logical thinking today. Pile it high on my side, but don’t take any spoonfuls on your side.
The original post pulled out an anecdotal piece of information, namely a store in Alpena, Michigan, (a damn cold place) that seemed to be freely advertising the sale of guns.
This is supposed to be “proof” that trends in gun control are not becoming more and more restricted. I don’t think, nor do I have any evidence, that Obama is imminently planning to take all the guns away. People believe all kinds of absolutely stupid stuff, on both sides of the argument. I didn’t, and wouldn’t claim any overt attempts by Obama to outlaw legal gun ownership.
However, to believe that Obama is likely to reverse the trend of more gun restrictive laws is hard to defend, at the very least. If you are a gun owner, or gun crazy (I am nominally an owner, but hardly very crazy about guns) you certainly are somewhat justified that an executive from Obama’s background and political leaning is far more likely to continue the trend of more gun restrictions instead of reversing that trend.
To believe otherwise is completely foolish, or are you now going to suggest he’s strongly supportive of gun ownership rights?
If I took the global comparison further, I could write an article that shows how overall, the ice level in Antarctica has certainly not decreased since 1979, and overall has possibly increased. So would this anecdotal information disprove somehow global warming?
I’ve also seen the same weak anecdotal logic of a piece of ice falling off Antarctica showing that Antarctica is melting and falling apart. I remember seeing a show on ABC as late as 2006 that claimed the South Pole was losing ice as fast as the North. This is certainly not true, even if you show a certain isolated area where it has lost ice.
In fact, the annual ice melt in Antarctica was in 2008-2009 the smallest it has been estimated for 30 years or so. Proof again global warming does not exist? I don’t think so.
Sensible people understand these little bits of information do not properly support an argument. The picture from the original poster of the gun store doesn’t either.
There’s (to use your words) a “mountain” of evidence that gun laws are trending more and more restrictive over the past 100 years. If you have evidence that Obama is changing that direction, let’s hear it. If I was worried about my gun ownership rights, I wouldn’t be overjoyed that he was in power, for that particular cause and reason.
The poster seems to be saying with the picture. “oh see, it was so dumb to worry that gun ownership would ever get more restrictive. Look, here’s a store still selling them!….”
It’s just a very weak point to try to make in that fashion, that’s all.
All this being said, I have a fair amount of difficulty believing much of what Obama has said, at least in terms of his campaign promises. Transparency in government, no lobbyist, CSPAN debates on health care, 5 days “sunlight before signing”, hiatus on 401K withdrawal penalties (Oct 08 ‘rescue plan for the middle class’), earmark reform, etc. etc. etc. etc.
I think he has dropped the ball in a huge way on a lot of what he promised. Most of what I just spoke of are not promises that he just hasn’t got around to yet, but ways of operation that have already been thrown out the window. I never saw the CSPAN health care debates, it all seemed to have happened behind the scenes with dirty dealing. This is not what I expected or wanted. I’m disillusioned entirely at this point and do not have much faith in anything at this point.
Way to change the standard with more of that slippery comparison. The article is about what gun nuts threatened would change from last year to this year – He’ll take away our guns – not whether Obama would reverse a generations-old trend. That store isn’t just about selling guns either, as I think you know.
good post chucklenuts. i don’t think bunteswaller will call you brain dead again anytime soon. BTW, i think we are all dillusioned a bit right now.
p.off, so the right wing is going to start a revolution to end ACORN like organizations?
(i knew you didn’t mean acron) a revolution? and it’s going to start after we are educated and have voted out the socailist ruling party? if you have enlightened us into voting out the bad guys, where is the need for a revolution? i think that those dead voters are more likely revolutionist than the extreme right wingers. have you seen those zombie moveies? wait… what did i just say? zombies, extreme right wing, brain dead. i think i’ve, unwittingly, just made my point.